Ep. 75: Arnie's Tournament

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Transcript

Stoy Hall: 0:00

Well, how you been? Good week. Good week, everybody. Huh? Good weekend, huh? Had a good weekend. That's, that's good. You? That's good. Yeah, it was solid. Good. I remember what we did actually. Um, I actually don't sign of a good weekend. Cleaned a lot. Did a lot, didn't make as much food, but I will be probably smoking this weekend. It's supposed to be pretty nice, isn't it? Yeah. Well, well,

Cole Ingle: 0:24

yeah. Yeah. All tomorrow's supposed to be back in the fifties. Yeah,

Stoy Hall: 0:27

it's, it's, we're getting there. I played golf. Oh, well, talk, talk to us about it. Oh, they were mad. They were mad. You were mad. I was mad. Absolutely. I didn't get an invite. But Were they mad because of how you played?

Cole Ingle: 0:39

Uh, no. Nobody would've been mad because of how I played. Oh, except for yourself? No, I played, played with my uncle. He shot 100. Oh oh. But he's already probably played in like eight rounds outside. Oh. I

Stoy Hall: 0:50

was like, I, Hm. 101st, first round out. Well, no, he just, he

Cole Ingle: 0:55

just, just is good. That's fair. So annoying too, because, He just because he's just good. He would, he's, he's the golf shark. Oh. Walks up in jeans is every round warm mom. If, if he's wearing long pants in golf, they're always jeans And he swings like Jim Feric, Bernard Langer combo. Wow. So like, not a lot of swing speed. Little awkward, yeah. Um, pretty low ball flight down middle always, most of the time, always in play. If we're not in play, we're rolling in a 15 footer from the fringe or chipping one to two feet. You know, it's just one of those where just one of those, um, you know, and he'll have his bad rounds or whatever, but like his bad rounds are like 75 to 77. you know, he'll go out and shoot 68, 71, 74. So, I mean, he's a little bit older, so it's a little more sporadic, but

Stoy Hall: 1:59

it's still Yeah. But if my disbursement was 68 to 77, right. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I do not think I would be upset. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 2:10

And like distances, like he's just a guy that, like from 1 75, it's on the green, like it's, and it's, it's a hybrid. Yeah. So he is not hitting like a seven iron. Right. Uh, you know, his three wood goes two 20 max, you know, drivers maybe two 50. But everything is just, the key is, and he plays, like, he plays the properties. Um, so I. You know, as far as what he should play, one for his age and two for like his distance. Yeah. So like he's not, doesn't trying to play his, he's not, he's not coming back to the tips. Super impressive or anything like that. Like he

Stoy Hall: 2:47

knows. Does he ever piss you off where you're like, fine, let's go to the tips. Well, and then he beats you.

Cole Ingle: 2:52

Uh, does that ever happen? He just, he just really doesn't, just wouldn't do it. Joe is usually the one that calls him out for that cuz Joey's always one that wants to play from the tips for, because it's more comfortable

Stoy Hall: 3:02

for him. Right. Yeah. Like, yes, he's long and all that, but he's just comfortable cuz I can go driver. Right. It's

Cole Ingle: 3:08

not, and yeah, ultimately good round, I had one birdie, handful of pars, a lot of bogies, a couple doubles

Stoy Hall: 3:16

just from rust or

Cole Ingle: 3:18

back. Back is not in, in good shape right now. Uh, from the, the sledding stuff still, we're still over. Uh, a month later at age 37, these are things that, you know,

Stoy Hall: 3:30

we're still overcoming that

Cole Ingle: 3:32

do stupid shit, win stupid prizes, um, yeah. Is ultimately what that there go, comes down to. So there you go. Wow. Um, should have stayed in the vehicle instead of in the sled. So, should have, should have. Well coulda, right? Yeah. So now we are, uh, doing lots of stretching, going to the chiropractor, all that fun,

Stoy Hall: 3:48

all that fun stuff. Mm-hmm. Um, alright. Right. Well let's get into it. Run down the week of the Hyundai Classic. Um, and we'll do, we'll, we'll let you know what our season points in shitty shot and all that stuff are at. Although I think I missed, I might have missed one of yours cuz I thought you had two zero.

Cole Ingle: 4:12

I should have two zero. I should have three total. You should have four.

Stoy Hall: 4:14

Four this week. Yeah. Okay. So I didn't add yours up yet, but anyways, uh, you know, we'll go through that. Uh, and then a little, little Twitter feed and we'll get into the Arne. Yeah, man. Alrighty. Classic. Um, obviously as you guys know, our golf podcasts just are not as long, cuz Yeah. There's lesser content when it's not a very great tournament either. Yeah, it's even lesser. Yeah, it's even lesser. And I think that'll be this week. So

Cole Ingle: 4:41

I was just gonna say like, we're gonna need to fake, um, excitement, make some excitement here this week.

Stoy Hall: 4:46

Uh, the recap is bad. I don't,

Cole Ingle: 4:50

like we weren't good and then the golf wasn't good and so it's not good. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 4:55

Um, however Oh, we'll get to on Twitter. Yeah. The ratings just

Cole Ingle: 4:59

ridiculous. Yeah, right. So yeah, I don't wanna No, no. Don't wanna ruin the, the very few tidbits that we do have. Uh, so yeah, quick rundown here. Uh, Honda Classic, um, man, last year of the Honda Classic actually, I believe. Yeah. Um, and so Chris Kirk, uh, took it down. Um, that would be the one thing that I would point out to those of you out there who have no idea who that is or anything along those lines. Not even from a golf uh, perspective, but his story is really cool. Um, recovering alcoholic, uh, 2019, I believe it was, uh, left a tour, uh, to get sober. Um, has struggled with it for a long time, uh, and finally did. And so like in his celebration speech, um, you know, one of the big things that, that he pointed out was that he was glad that he could, was going to be able to celebrate without, without alcohol. Yeah. Or without thinking that he needed to have the alcohol to, as we sit here and drink just like I had cheers to that. Hey buddy. Hey, we'll do it for you. Chris. Um, four went out for Chris. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, he played, played well. Um, Made the shots when he needed to down the stretch and, and got her done, uh, in the playoff. So,

Stoy Hall: 6:22

which is exciting. Yeah. Exciting finish. But, so, but

Cole Ingle: 6:27

Cole was the last name of the guy that he, that and that guy is known for being a mini tour phenomenon. And so it was kind of interesting cuz it was the, the comeback story versus the mini tour phenomenon type of thing. So Good back and forth there. Um, so yeah, I mean, golf enthusiasts and, and people that have done deep dives and, and followed the tour for a long time, we'll probably have heard of those names or, or know those guys and, and were entertained. But the tournament itself, uh, the cream really didn't rise to the top as far as there was very little cream to be able to rise to the top. They did. And. I mean, unfortunately my player to Fade was the only one who was remotely competitive. I'm not. Right. Um, so the, you know, there's that, uh, but just also the, the tour has started so hot with the big tournaments, the exciting tournaments, and a huge turnout that eventually you're gonna have a little bit of a letdown of a week. Right. Um, it is golf. It is, as much as we love it, it is, it is still golf, you know, call it, call it what it is. And so the Honda Classic is, uh, is now in the rear view. Um,

Stoy Hall: 7:42

you know what it remind, I'm gonna go bring it to football a little bit. You know what reminded me of How's that pre-season

Cole Ingle: 7:47

football That's fair. But after the regular season started Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 7:51

like we went, oh, hey, let's, let's do an All-star pre-season game.

Cole Ingle: 7:55

I. It's the s e c football schedule. Ah, it's after you play nine straight weeks of s e c opponents. Yeah. Cupcake. And then you would play the Citadel. Yeah. Yep.

Stoy Hall: 8:06

Yeah, absolutely. In week 10. Absolutely. Before you play. But not dominate them though. Like No, it was a, a close game for some reason. Right.

Cole Ingle: 8:13

But like for three quarters. Yeah. And then all of a sudden it was like 48 to seven. Yeah, absolutely. It was, it was 17 to seven after three quarters and then, and then 40th. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that's what

Stoy Hall: 8:22

it was. That's That's what it was. Bring back. Bring it

Cole Ingle: 8:24

full circle there. Yeah, full circle. Uh, starting at the top here. Uh, we'll take a look at our picks for this week. Uh, you had Kucher, uh, plus 3000. He did not make the cut. Um, this just shit that did not make any, did not make any money, my

Stoy Hall: 8:38

lord. Um,

Cole Ingle: 8:40

we did need to talk about which guy we were using for, um, the money. The one and done or the outright winner? Yeah, we back and forth on that. But, uh, I had, uh, Vegas who made the cut on the number, had to make a birdie, I believe, either on 17 or 18 on Friday in order to make the weekend. Um, but then had a, a really solid weekend actually. Uh, specifically Sunday. I think he shot 65 on Sunday, uh, to get 64, yeah, 64 on Sunday to get to T 2180$8,100 earned, uh, for outright winners. You took Vegas in that category. I took Penrith Vegas 21st again. Uh, Penrith 42nd. Both made the cut at least, which is pretty much all we can say for ourselves this week. Right. Uh, moving to Black Stallion, the 50 to one or better. You had Old Webb Simpson made the cut,

Stoy Hall: 9:42

baby T 74. He did not play what I thought he would either. I had,

Cole Ingle: 9:45

uh, I went with a real long shot there, plus 10,000 with Eric. Ben Royan did not make the cut. Uh, top 40. Ryan Palmer did not make the cut for you. Uh, I had web since in top 40. He did not finish top 40. Uh, so yeah, we suck and suck, but he didn't get cut. He did not get cut

Stoy Hall: 10:03

suck. So you got a point.

Cole Ingle: 10:04

Hey. Oh, geez. Yeah. Thanks. Thank goodness G us. Um, and then player to Fade. You had Aaron Wise, who finished T 29. Uh, he was projected third. I had, um, Shane Lowry projected second faded all the way to fifth Uh, so Woo, no, the, uh, while my fades were strong early on when I was struggling, uh, they have since faltered when my one and done, uh, picks have been a little bit better. So, you know, figure it out on both ends. I can't,

Stoy Hall: 10:36

one of these days I can't earn money. So we're there. Uh, let, let's get into that though. Um, that was our recap. We'll do the, I want us to talk about. What we're gonna decide with the money and all of that. Yeah. Air go because it might change the overall standings. We'd have to adjust. Right. So what was your question? The money earned, right? Yeah. Oh one and done or outright. So we've

Cole Ingle: 10:58

done, I thought we've always done one and done because we've

Stoy Hall: 11:00

always done one and done cuz of the pool. The pool. Yep. Yeah. Which is why we then, then did shitty shot on the out on the outright winner. Correct? Correct. Yep. Now I have a shitty shot this week cuz Kucher got cut and he was my one and done. Right. If you're one and done or outright get cut, either one.

Cole Ingle: 11:15

Guaranteed.

Stoy Hall: 11:16

Yep. Guaranteed you have

Cole Ingle: 11:18

a shitty shot and then you outscored me though overall correct? Um, based on our point system. So therefore I have a shitty shot for the scoring. That is correct. So one and one this week. One and one. So cute.

Stoy Hall: 11:29

So cute. Um, we only have two

Cole Ingle: 11:31

left. Well, um,

Stoy Hall: 11:33

and one, one looks a little darker than the other peanut butter for you.

Cole Ingle: 11:37

Oh. It's actually peanut butter.

Stoy Hall: 11:38

All right. It's a, it's not a whiskey. That's not a, that's not a, a peanut shaped whiskey

Cole Ingle: 11:43

barrel. One one of these days. I'm just gonna pour one of those into the peanut butter on, just get the reaction.

Stoy Hall: 11:48

I'm not gonna lie, that is one of the worst whiskeys. I think I've, yeah. And I'm talking like even McCormicks and Hawkeye. Oh yeah. I'm, that one's up there with a mm-hmm. Oh, I think it's

Cole Ingle: 11:58

worse cuz I think it's more concentrated.

Stoy Hall: 12:01

Yeah, I think it's, yeah. You're not right. No. Wrong. Also, if you think it is root beer probably makes it worse. The worst. Even the worstest. Yeah. The worst. What do you got over there? I got some pineapples. Oh. Which is

Cole Ingle: 12:11

also not good, if I remember correctly. Uh, I don't think

Stoy Hall: 12:14

so. Nope. Still not. Peanut butter's not bad. It actually is good. Well, for these shots, the peanut butter's like the best one. Even when, like, right when it hits your tongue, it's sweet. Like, you know it's gonna be all right. Mm-hmm. Those don't those? No, they just always burn. Those aren't good. They're not, they're not good. I mean, there's a reason they

Cole Ingle: 12:43

cost what they do. I mean, there's a reason they're called shitty shots. Yep.

Stoy Hall: 12:47

All of that is accurate. We will have, uh, yeah, I mean I guess we could, um, before we get to the overall standings, um, I mean we could start sprinkling a little college basketball into this thing. Did you watch Drake game? I did. Okay, we can talk about that. It's a Drake game. Let's, uh, we'll do, sorry. I, but in that was my fault. Let's get to overall standing so you guys are updated where we're at and then, you know, although we can get into little college basketball, at least the Drake game, which mm-hmm. Anyways, season points, uh, story's at 31. College number. Are these updated? Yep. The points are the shitty shot's. Not the money is, do you want me to change that or not? You can leave that for now, y'all. I, I'll fix it, don't worry. Um, the season points, I'm up by 2 30, 1 29. Uh, shitty shot. I am down one or up one. Depends how you think about it. Mm-hmm. but I've had more shitty shots than coal by one. The money is not even a factor. I am down by 2.3 million in the money count. Could all change in one tournament. Still one, one winner away. Now when that starts to get to the nines, I'm, I'm in trouble. Right. But for now, nothing. We're one. We're one. It's early. It's early. It's early. We have 20 something other tournaments to go first. Half of the first quarter. Yeah. We'll, we'll be fine. We'll be fine. So there's the, the, the cap of the Hyundai Classic. Honda. Hyundai my bad. Honda. Yeah. Uh, it doesn't matter. It's your last year. Year doing it. Yeah. Whatever. Um, foreshadow Right. Did I, did I spill the beans on something? I don't know.

Cole Ingle: 14:19

Possibly. And

Stoy Hall: 14:21

you'll be All right. Let me put a quick call in. Yeah. Right. Um, so yeah, congrats there. Um, overall. So let's get into a little college basketball. We're getting into that, uh, that time of the year now for everyone. Missouri Valley has actually playing their conference championship this week. Most all others are next week. Yep. Uh, but that being said, uh, it was this weekend, Sunday, 3:00 PM when Drake went to Bradley to, for the regular season championship. And I cannot wait to talk about, I have a thing against regular season in conference championships. Mm-hmm. I don't understand it. Yeah. Uh, anyways, they were battling, uh, for the number one season in the conference championship, but also regular season's title. Uh, we beat them by 24, 25 points at home earlier in the year. And, uh, the game was, I, I thought they had a really good defensive strategy. Um, Bradley. I really did. They just took people away. It was, um, but it wasn't, it was one of those games where I. your best player didn't show up or arguably mm-hmm. your best player didn't show up and it just didn't seem like they had the energy. It, it flat. Just a flat, a flat game. Um, for me, when I was watching it and I never felt like they were gonna win it, by the way, from Tip actually. Um, it just felt like they didn't have that edge. And Bradley playing at home, you always have a little edge, just had that extra fire of really wanting to win this game. Whereas I believe our guys' mindset was more like, meh. And that's kind of how I thought about it and I'm okay with that. I didn't, I didn't really care that they lost. I wish they would've played better, but Right. No one got hurt. Right. You're healthy, which you're two seeded and I think you're on the better side of the bracket

Cole Ingle: 16:10

percent in March. Drake needs to stay healthy. They haven't No. For the last few. Right. Um, they've always had a significant injury this time of year. Correct. Hopefully it doesn't happen in the conference tournament, and they can make a run through there and win the thing. Um, they were picked to win the valley, so this is not a surprise. They mm-hmm. basically were exec exactly where they were. Yep. Projected to be, uh, struggled a little bit early on, which hurt'em late. Um, they just didn't have any room for air. They won 10 in a row, I think it was. Mm-hmm. uh, and had a let down on the road, um, in front of 14,000 people. uh, Bradley It was funny, I was listening to radio and Sean Roberts on K X N O was at the game and he said the lady that was sitting in front of him turning around and was like, you guys made it for quite the game. There's usually only about 3000 people here, So, uh, you know, they had 10,000 more people than usual, uh, at the game. Okay.

Stoy Hall: 17:09

It was their first regular season title in 27 years. Right. They had so much more to play for. Let's,

Cole Ingle: 17:14

there's a storied history. Obviously. They had revenge on the mind from a beat down in Des Moines. Uh, also, again, you're, you're at that point where you can win a conference championship for the first time in 27 years. Correct. So since, so Provo since the nineties. Bravo as they say Bravo to you. Um, so they played well, uh, they had one guy not even gonna try to remember his name that seemed like he couldn't miss 10. Tucker Tucker couldn't make and just kind of force some stuff. Um, got a little frustrated towards the end when he really started forcing, uh, ultimately Tucker has to play well, but Penn's kind of the engine, in my opinion, that makes that, that team run, uh, when he gets hot, gets going.

Stoy Hall: 17:57

He was the only one to me that had that energy. Yeah. Um,

Cole Ingle: 18:00

I mean he, he's that's been there for

Stoy Hall: 18:02

12 years, starts did two. Obviously he always does like that,

Cole Ingle: 18:06

saying that he can't make a difference in the scoring column most of the time. Right. It's going to like, you just have to have that, the guy making threes or the guy Right. You know, making the don, you know, whatever. It's gonna change momentum for. It just never felt like, to your point, that they were, no, Bradley would just never let the game get to that point where like, Drake could seize momentum Correct. Or anything like that. So, and

Stoy Hall: 18:28

even ear, like when it first two possessions and Brody gets a ticky tack, like, body, body, big man foul. And I immediately went, oh yeah, just gonna be that kind of, this is gonna be this game. Mm-hmm. Um, and it, I'm not saying the refs on that, I'm just saying like, they're two big these and they're big men. Right. Like they were big boys, just let'em play. Mm-hmm. Uh, but overall, uh, I just, I didn't, I didn't love it. I didn't love it for'em. But again, what does a regular season title mean in college? Basketball, please. Anybody?

Cole Ingle: 18:59

Uh, it means an automatic bid to the n I d. Cool. I'm just, you asked, I

Stoy Hall: 19:05

know I answered, but like, I've never really known. Mm-hmm.

Cole Ingle: 19:07

and like, and that's what it means. And that's might be relatively new. I don't, I don't really know, but like, I know for a fact that that's what it means. Oh. Well that's good. That's cool. That's good. And if you're the Ivy League, it means a birth to the NCAA tournament because they do not have, because they don't have ones.

Stoy Hall: 19:22

So this is their conference. Tournament I'm champion, which makes sense. Wealth of

Cole Ingle: 19:25

knowledge, because like any other questions

Stoy Hall: 19:27

you have for me? I've never, I've never, it never makes sense to me. Sure. N it t fi fine, but you're, what are we all playing for? Like really, I never understood, like, um, when people get excited, whether it's, you know, and, and usually cuz I am in Iowa, um, the state fans are jacked about winning it. And I'm like, what does it matter? You don't get an AQ at

Cole Ingle: 19:48

all. Right? I mean, it's history of the program type of stuff, obviously from a Bradley, but are you a conference champion?

Stoy Hall: 19:55

I mean, yes. No, you're not, you're a regular season. Regular. Does, doesn't postseason mean more a regular season conference? But doesn't postseason mean more?

Cole Ingle: 20:02

I don't, I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm just saying that, but basketball,

Stoy Hall: 20:06

you're weird.

Cole Ingle: 20:07

You're weird. And I think this year is a huge difference in. The field being so even up and down, sporadic college basketball in general, that having a fresh team going into the tournament, that's not to say you're, you want to lose games, but like peaking too early is definitely going to be a thing this year. Having injuries is definitely gonna be a thing. Peaking late is gonna be a thing. Making a long run through a tournament, possibly hurting your tournament, chances it, it's all gonna be, I feel like, more top of mind than pos than normal because of the hot cold of so many teams in college basketball. And

Stoy Hall: 20:55

I also think there's something to say about like, you know, back to the Drake Bradley, they're both along win streaks, so someone had to win, right? But I would rather lose that game and not be on 11 game winning streak. Right. Going into the postseason where you have to win every game. Right. Then coming off, you know, being able to lose like they did and having that extra thing. I, I, there's gotta be something there for that, but I just never really understood that. However, I do like, um, Drake's side of the bracket, personally a little better. Yeah. They're either gonna open up with Murray Stater or Valpo. I'm good there. Um, they've got Southern Illinois, um, Missouri State or u I c on the other side too. I like that route a little better than Bradley has you and I or Illinois State in either Belmont, Indiana State or Evansville. Mm-hmm. actually on that. I think having the two seat actually provides a little better. I don't know. Agree. I, some people might disagree, but I, I, I really like that from a college basketball perspective.

Cole Ingle: 22:00

No, I think so as well. I liked the draw there. I also think from Drake's perspective, struggled early, fought through it, stayed healthy, got healthy. had an extended period of really good play. We know how we want to play, we know what we need to do to win. We understand right how to win. Um, we won blowouts, we've won multiple overtime games. Sure, you got a bummer in the, you know, you'd had a dud, but much rather have the dud now than won conference play or to in any postseason that you were gonna get to. Absolutely. So now's the time to make a run. Now's the time that matters. Uh, to your point, a hundred percent. If you ask Bradley, Hey, we can trade you this for this, um, do you want the regular season champion trophy or do you want a spot in March Madness? And they'll take match March Madness a hundred percent of the time. So, um, it's not even a question that has to be asked.

Stoy Hall: 22:54

Nope, not at all. All right. Um, what's our Drake Boys? So,

Cole Ingle: 22:57

yeah, um, let's say quickly you and I, um, unless they make a run in the tournament, will not make the tournament, uh, they've really struggled down the stretch. Uh, so they will not most likely not be playing post-season basketball. Iowa and Iowa State seemed firmly in the tournament. Mm-hmm. um, somewhere between likely six and 10 seeds, just depending on how they finished down the stretch. Iowa had an amazing overtime win where they scored 15 points in, that was in 90 seconds. Insane. Uh, we're sitting

Stoy Hall: 23:28

up brunch and we're watching'em. We're watching, and I'm like, well, these are both over. I look down, I'm like, Iowa. There's something about that score that's that's interesting over the Iowa State. Right. And I'm was sitting there watching and I'm like, oh my Lord. Yeah. Oh my Lord. That was great.

Cole Ingle: 23:45

Good for them. So that was really good. And Iowa State blew a lead last night that they should have won the game at home. Um, again, they've, they've got some quality wins throughout the year that are gonna protect them later in the year. The Big 12,

Stoy Hall: 23:55

bringing in like seven teams or something? Uh,

Cole Ingle: 23:58

yeah. Both. Both. Big 12 and Big 10 will have eight or nine teams. That's now the Big 10 has like 14 or 15 teams, remember. And the Big 12 actually only has 10 teams. Yeah. So eight out of 10 of the big 12 teams are projected to get in and possibly nine. That's huge. Yeah. And both of them, like the worst team right now in the Big 12 is Oklahoma. They beat Alabama, who is number two west for a while by 25 points when they played'em. Oh, I didn't know that. Blew the, I just blew'em out. First of all, can

Stoy Hall: 24:28

we talk about how Alabama Yeah. Is number one. Number two was number one or two at some point. Just in, in basketball. Right. Okay. That's, that's the type of madness I need this year. This

Cole Ingle: 24:39

goes to the, you know, the parallel of, of college basketball and the, just the overall evenness, the teams, you have to be scared of this year. Right now our Purdue, Houston, Alabama, and I don't even know right now who's fourth. Um, it's kind of gone. Do they Scary came

Stoy Hall: 24:58

down. I mean, Purdue does what? They're big men. Kansas might be

Cole Ingle: 25:00

fourth Baylor's up there, but like those two teams have won the last two. Kansas and Baylor, they're gonna be up there. But like there's the top three, the top three teams I just named there scare absolutely no one. And that's from Drake to Iowa to Kansas, right? Like on any given night, Drake feels like they can beat any of those top three teams. I mean they beat Mississippi State, right? Who's competitive in the s e C by 20 points at home earlier this year. So like there's not an intimidation factor from the one seed to the 16 seed in this year's tournament, in my opinion. So I think we're gonna see tremendous, quite few upsets, but I do think there are certain teams that are getting hot at the right time. And I think that. Again, that, that matters. So what we talked about that really matters this year. The teams that are meshing, the teams that are healthy are the ones that you're gonna see successful. And I think a lot of that has to do with the covid rules and everything like that. You've got a lot of very mature old, you've got six and

Stoy Hall: 26:00

seven eight year guys.

Cole Ingle: 26:01

Yeah. Yep. Um, you know, you've got 25 year old men, men playing college basketball year. You run nonprofits stuff like graduated by 22. Yeah. So, I mean, you gotta keep that in perspective. You know, Stetson Bennet, Georgia this year when they won the match, he was 25 years old. Um, old, old. 26 years old, 25 years old. Um,

Stoy Hall: 26:19

do you believe because the new, the, the new, uh, what quads, I guess they're called. I'm not a basketball guy, guys. I love basketball. Um, I'll bet on it and I'll beat his ass when we do our March madness thing. However, that saying, uh, this new quad scoring or ranking mm-hmm. it started last year, I believe.

Cole Ingle: 26:37

Yeah. As far as like releasing the top four in each. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 26:40

Yeah, yeah. Um, last year's madness was, was

Cole Ingle: 26:46

madness. Yeah. It was crazy. But it, you know, the blue bloods ended up,

Stoy Hall: 26:49

but I mean from a more of a ranking standpoint, in my opinion, like I went into last year going these, some of these lower seeds should not be lower seeds. They should be higher seeds. Yeah. It's just so hard. Is that, is it? I'm just saying cuz that was not just me, in my opinion, that was others. Mm-hmm that just the seating was wrong. Do, do you believe that gets corrected this year? Is that just part of the new system? I just

Cole Ingle: 27:13

don't think that it can, cuz the problem, the overall problem with that, in my opinion, is one, they're trying to give the non-power five conferences more, more of a voice, more of a stance as they should. Should, right? Because they've shown the, the ability to compete, uh, so on and so forth. The other thing is, is like you look at the big 12 this year from Oklahoma, who is 10th in the Big 12 to Kansas, who is first in the Big 12? those teams just aren't that far apart. Like on a neutral floor that's a Kansas four or five point game, um, you know, at Kansas, Kansas would be expected to win at Oklahoma, Kansas. Probably still a small favorite, but like we're talking one or two points from embedding perspective. Um, maybe a little bit more than that depending on trends, but like that's, that's the best top to bottom league in the country and it's not close hands down. Their worst team would finish probably mid to upper quarter of every other conference in America. And so when you look at an Iowa state who has like seven or eight quad one victories, um, they're 17 and 12 now, 17 and 13, eight and nine in the conference, and they're still considered like a 16. And so if they win a game, doesn't really move'em if they lose a game. Yeah. It might little, it might hurt'em a little bit. You can't lose games at home, which they lost their last two that's gonna hurt. They, they were a four seat a week and a half ago. Right. Um, they've really been on a downward trend, but Big 10, same thing. It's like they've got two or three bad teams, but they're gonna get nine teams in the tournament. And so when you look at that, it's like, okay, where do I put Drake when they win their conference? Right. They're gonna be a 12 seed if they win. Yeah. Um, you know, that's just the typical five 12 game and they're gonna play the fourth best team in the Big 10 and they're

Stoy Hall: 29:18

gonna have 20, 27 wins. You know what I mean?

Cole Ingle: 29:22

Yeah. Like, and so we see that every year. But the problem is now is that you're getting to a point where there's not, there's just not as big a. And so like last year, Carolina, they were an eight seed, which is, they played like garbage. They are literally right now with the exact same team that made the national championship last year fighting tooth and nail. Every victory is putting them one step closer to being in the tournament. They're not in the tournament right now and they have the exact same team that played in the national championship last year. Complete anomaly. Nobody knows what the hell's going on. I mean, they've had a little bit of injury stuff here and there, but like no excuse to be even fighting on the bubble.

Stoy Hall: 29:59

Is college basketball just getting that parody?

Cole Ingle: 30:02

I, I mean, I think it goes back again to the seniority thing a little bit, but just also like, yes, you have the seniority, but the seniority is kids that weren't gonna go to the NBA anyway. So like, not only are they older, more experienced, but they're also getting stronger and better and more mature as far as reacting to moments where you have like momentum shifts in college basketball. They're able to deal with that easier. So you see more big comebacks. Okay, more big shots made. that type of thing. Just they've been in the moment so much now that it's just like, yeah, I can go play. Like there's no fear of playing Kansas. There's no fear of playing North Carolina. Like, they're like, yeah, I'm just gonna go in there and beat their ass. Like, I don't care. So back

Stoy Hall: 30:43

to, uh, let's flip it off to golf, right? Let's, let's pull full circle. Is it kind of like the new Blood with Tiger? Oh, absolutely. Like they're, they're, they, they've grown up with those names, they've grown up with that fear. Mm-hmm. to where it's like, it's a no factor where at least it's a no factor. Mm-hmm. up until maybe like, you know, that putt right to win, right. The, you know, the masters against the putt to win or is it, is it, is

Cole Ingle: 31:08

it we can play two and three days of a tournament? Are we seeing that? I'm not scared of Rory. I'm not scared of speed. Right. I'm not scared of Tiger. Um, you know, that new guard, that's what they've seen. That's what they

Stoy Hall: 31:18

is that college basketball now that's

Cole Ingle: 31:19

college basketball. Um, and it will continue to be one because you'll continue to have guys. Leave after one year, you'll continue to have and nil, uh, nil. That's probably a huge thing. And nil might keep a few more people, but honestly, I think nil has a bigger impact on the, the women's side than it does on the men, probably because they

Stoy Hall: 31:35

stay longer. Well, they can

Cole Ingle: 31:36

stay, they can make the same amount of money and stay in college. Right. Um, which they were already staying longer, but now at least they're getting paid. So like, I mean, Caitlin Clark is the story around the country and she even made the comment on Dave Patrick's show the other day that she was considering staying for five years. Um, and the only difference to her was, you know, she made the comment directly of, I can still get a N package while I'm playing for the NBA or the W N B A. Right? That's just mar you know, that's the marketing dollars that anybody's making that, you know, LeBron or anybody else. Right? Um, so it's like, yes, I'm still going to be making more money when I go to the w n. However, do I need to, I'm living in Iowa City. I'm getting probably at that point a master's in something. I'm better in my own personal life. So I love life playing in front of a sold out crowd. Not only at home now, but she's selling out visiting arenas at this point because

Stoy Hall: 32:33

of her brand.

Cole Ingle: 32:35

Why wouldn't you continue that? She's selling out in Nebraska. She's selling out Indiana. Why wouldn't, but those places aren't selling out when Caitlin Clark's not in town. Not in women's basketball. In women's basketball, absolutely not

Stoy Hall: 32:45

volleyball, Nebraska. Different story.

Cole Ingle: 32:48

Right. Indiana. They're also not playing. They're also not selling it out to 15,000. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 32:54

So I mean like, so to your point, back to the obvious, the women's, I get the difference. Right, right. That makes so much sense. But we're seeing parody. Yeah. I love it. Which causes more madness. Mm-hmm. do you like that for.

Cole Ingle: 33:12

I mean, ultimately I think that the teams that are best coached and have the best players, you're going to end up with those teams in the Elite eight. Is that

Stoy Hall: 33:22

why we had, like, I remember last year was like three or four one seeds, like in most the twos, like the cream still made the top right. We just had some cluster to get there and it's just,

Cole Ingle: 33:32

again, it's going to be okay. Purdue might be struggling a little bit. They're still probably gonna go in on the one line is it is Purdue that like you're gonna be more magnified specifically as a one or a two seed that might be struggling versus one that might be trending in the right direction or a three seed that was supposed to be better than they are, maybe had an injury, whatever it may be, that's trending up and it's like they've got the dudes like, that's my team I'm riding with. Yeah. Um, so there's just, I think there's gonna be a lot more of that now, obviously it's still. a buzzer beater away. As we know with March Madness, um, there's always gonna be a close game every year that you have to win in your run of six. Mm-hmm. to win it. Um, so you've gotta survive that game. Whatever the game is, whether it's the first round, the third round, the national championship, it doesn't matter. It's gonna happen. Um, it's gonna happen. Um, and likely, maybe even more now, maybe it's gonna happen two times out of six or whatever. You're, you're probably gonna have a game or two that ends comfortably. Is it

Stoy Hall: 34:31

safe to say that one seeds are no longer safe?

Cole Ingle: 34:34

Oh, yeah. And I think that safe space, I think that's gone. It's proven the last couple years. Couple years. Um, they're safe compared to the rest of the field, but no, they're not. There's, there's no team that is going in with the three point line changes that Steph, that's the Steph Curry effect in my opinion. Mm-hmm. Um, it's what he's done to the, the men's game, and it's also what he's done to the, the women's game. Um, he has made basketball more exciting. because you don't have to be able to dunk to make the game fast paced and to make the game high scoring. And those are the two biggest things that basketball in general was struggling from is that the only exciting part was above the rim. Steph Curry made playing below the rim super popular. And you're seeing that in the game and then you're seeing that from a competitive standpoint is that the little guy has figured out a style in which he can compete by making more three pointers than you make two pointers. Like sure, we'll give up two, but we're gonna get three math works because I only have to make two of those while you make three dunks. Yeah. So if you can find the right strategy on any given night, I can make seven threes. You know, I can do, you know, whatever it is. Mm-hmm. I don't, it doesn't matter if I can guard you your seven foot, I

Stoy Hall: 35:50

don't like it cuz I love the physicality. Right, but that's just, well, that's

Cole Ingle: 35:54

just big 10 basketball. I just lied, man. You just gotta watch the big 10.

Stoy Hall: 35:57

Gimme some big dudes and just hammer haul. Just let'em just,

Cole Ingle: 36:00

lets also the death of the big man a little bit. Um, because you have to be, should the

Stoy Hall: 36:04

big man go out and shoot threes now?

Cole Ingle: 36:06

Oh yeah. But they also have to be able to go out and guard the team that doesn't really even technically have a big, have a big man. And so you pick your poison of, am I going to throw it to that guy inside enough times to where he is going to either make a dunk or make a free throw verse, whatever his guy is doing on the perimeter, stepping out, making threes. And that's the, that's the cat and mouse game that is now entered. That wasn't there. I would even say five to 10 years ago.

Stoy Hall: 36:39

What's the, it's probably preemptive, but what's the next trend then? Because obviously it was the three. Mm-hmm. I mean, I think it's just like football though. Does it?

Cole Ingle: 36:48

Does it? It's just like football. I mean, football come back, has turned into a track meet. Yeah. And what have football teams done, the successful football teams done is as soon as defenses navigated to nickel and dime packages, they went back to quarterback runs, running the football to be successful. Right. And it's Taylor's old the time it, it's everything's cyclical. Yeah. Now, do I think that it will ever get back to what it was? No, but that's just because the rules of the game have changed. Uh, you know, the NFL wants more offense. The NBA wants offense. The LB a thousand defense. Every professional sports team, oh, we'll get sports organization wants, offense. There's so many rules, so many like, but that's why, that's why it won't devolve. It'll just, you'll just have an evolution of the five will actually be able to, so

Stoy Hall: 37:43

what you're saying is there's always a cycle in sports, um, ebbs and flows, but from a league standpoint, they won't cycle back probably. Right. You're not gonna see the NFL go, you know, let's make it a little better, more advantageous to the defense. Right. My vote is yes, however, uh, you're not gonna see that. It's never, you're, you're gonna see high scoring because it sells tickets. But fans does it. It does. I would say to the average, like one who just partakes in and watches sports or the regular

Cole Ingle: 38:14

season. Yes. Yeah. Or the postseason.

Stoy Hall: 38:18

No. Are you in diving the, that's, are you okay with different rules? Different, I mean, if they're not different

Cole Ingle: 38:24

rules, but they're different application of the rules. There is,

Stoy Hall: 38:27

uh, interpretation is there's more physicality in the playoffs across the board in every sport. Yeah. There's less runs in, in MLB and the playoffs. Yeah, and I mean, I think, I think

Cole Ingle: 38:39

these, these professionals understand the regular season. is there for entertainment. Yes. It's there for, I mean, you're gonna have concerted effort, but you're not going to have stay healthy, have fun. You're not gonna have pointed effort, you're gonna have competitive effort, I should say, I guess. Um, whereas post-season comes, it's, it's winning time. Yeah. The money's like, I play the regular season to make a paycheck. I play the postseason to get my competitive rocks off. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, that's what it comes down to is, is and that more and more, you know, with guys resting during the regular season with, with all of these contracts, with all of these different, you know, clauses in there of things that you have to meet in order to make your bonuses and all of that. Like, that's just like, that's the entertainment part of. and now you get to the postseason. And you know, that's the biggest difference in me as far as enjoyability of professional sports versus collegiate sports. Um, which is what we're missing a little bit as nil has been added into to college sports, is that we're starting to see a little bit more of that same entertainment attitude, um, leak into college sports because of new.

Stoy Hall: 40:05

Yeah, and we'll probably in college football only get more of that as the playoff expands, right? Because more teams make it all right. So, uh, Twitter, twi, Twitter hire feed. We'll run through this thing. Cut to it. Uh, nuclear golf, by the way, if you're not following, great follow, fantastic follow for all the news and et cetera. Um, so here we go. This one, this one, this one. I read this one and I don't know if I've sent one faster to you or not because it just blew my mind that the fact that these words could come from this man's mouth. Okay, so there we go. This is Sergio. Yep. Sergio Garcia. Yeah. Blast. Rory McElroy for immaturity. This is the quote. No, no, no. Lemme back up. Hold on. Sergio Garcia blasts a player. Doesn't matter, but blasts Rory for immaturity. Yep. Immaturity. Yep. The quote. I think it is very sad. I think that we've done so many things together and had so many experiences that for him to throw that away, just because I didn't decide or I decided to go different to her. Well, it doesn't seem very mature. Lacking maturity really. I respect his choices, but it seems like he doesn't respect the ones I make. So a one-way street. Okay, this goes off because, uh, someone reporter asked about Sergio and Liv and whatnot, and he said that, oh, I. deleted Sergio from my, basically from my phone. Mm-hmm. I don't, I don't give a shit what he did. Yeah. Sergio is trying to put somebody on blast for being immature. If you were to name three golfers, two golf, one golfer, who is the most immature that you know on tour? Who would it be? I'll give you top three because he's in there. I know another one that I would always throw in there. I mean,

Cole Ingle: 42:04

the top three to me, and maybe I'm missing somebody, but Bryson Reid. And Sergio. Sergio. And the other guy that I would throw in there would probably be Keka.

Stoy Hall: 42:18

Yeah. And I would, and I would put him forth of those. Of those. Right. But those top three are the top three. Yeah. So your top three and potentially, depending on the year of the top one. Yeah. Is the one trying to call out. Yeah. Somebody right. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 42:31

Wow. I mean, I will say that I think Rory has, I mean, Rory has basically just taken a stance and he is, he's the mouthpiece for the pga. And so there's something to be said about that. He's ultimately, I think, the mouthpiece for Tiger. Yeah,

Stoy Hall: 42:50

that's exactly what I was gonna say in,

Cole Ingle: 42:53

in a lot of ways. And I think that this comes more from a place, um, from Sergio. It's a little bit on the personal level, but this comes from, from a rider cup, uh, mindset. Yeah. Sergio and Roy have played on a lot of different Redder Cup teams. Uh, Sergio's known Roy for, I mean, they both were young superstars, right? Mm-hmm. um, obviously Roy's younger than Sergio, but, but to. the, the thing that he is hurting or feeling is that Rory is basically turning his back on a Ryder Cup teammate. I don't think it, I don't think it comes necessarily from a live PGA perspective as much as it's Ryder Cup. Like, that's my teammate. You're turning your back on. So like he doesn't care that Rory and Patrick CRE don't get along. Right. Like he could give two shits. Right. But ultimately, like, he's like, man, like Rory will not talk to look at conversate with anyone who has gone to live. If you watch him in any interactions on the driving range or anything, it is nothing. It is consistent and it is nothing. And so like, commendable, right? Like he's consistent. He's not, you know, going one. Well, I like that guy. I don't like, no, but that's where Sergio's coming from. Okay.

Stoy Hall: 44:19

Flip it. Mm-hmm. Sergio, if you feel that way, didn't, wouldn't Ro Rory feel the same way about you flipping into a different tournament? Yeah, but I mean, he, because at that point though, it was not for certain, but it was said that they wouldn't be in the writer cup. Yeah. So like, isn't that, uh, it's very similar to the same situation. Yeah. I mean, you're now Rory's doing it across the board. So I, that, that's actually like more about just his stance. Right. But if you're gonna call him out, you gotta think about the fact that you're letting him down.

Cole Ingle: 44:54

Yeah. But you gotta remember who's leaving all the old guard. No, I

Stoy Hall: 44:58

get, I get it from the big picture, but I'm trying to question Sergio. Ro.

Cole Ingle: 45:01

Yeah, but Rory won't question that because Rory don't give a shit. He's got Rom now. He's got Peter's now. Well, Peter's actually left. Peter's got, but like, uh, I mean a lot of the guys have actually left, but. Um, it'll be an interesting Ryder Cup, um, come September this year because I, it, a lot of the dominating faces of the European Ryder Cup team have now defected to live. Um, two of the biggest ones being it's gonna Sergio and Polter, it's gonna be weird ass locker room. Um, so you're going to have an awkward locker room, um, in a lot of ways because a lot of the Hispanic guys that are really high ranked in the world have gone to live. To live. Yeah. And so have a lot of the European guys,

Stoy Hall: 45:49

but guess, um, not on the US side. And even the ones that are, well, the US even.

Cole Ingle: 45:54

Yeah. I mean the US has,

Stoy Hall: 45:55

they don't have to pick those guys Well and also the

Cole Ingle: 45:58

depth they had. Yeah. I mean they had 18 guys to make a 12 ro, 12 team ro or 12 guy roster in Europe just didn't have that luxury. Um, it's kind of, you know, president's Cup, same way. President's Cup, you have a bigger roster now, um, to choose from technically than even, and that's why that, in my opinion, that will be, that will replace the Ryder Cup rivalry simply because of the numbers game. The President's Cup will actually overtake the Ryder Cup at some point in popularity,

Stoy Hall: 46:34

but also for, because of Liv though, because it, there's less, there's gonna be less of that awkwardness because of that too. Right. Your,

Cole Ingle: 46:43

I mean, do you think eventually that the Liv guys will be able to play in those events?

Stoy Hall: 46:51

I think he, I, I believe yes, but I think it's, right now it's very teetering. Like not this year. Not this year. No, I don't think so. Okay. Um, I think maybe next year, but it depends on if all of a sudden people start defecting back. If that starts happening, what's the point? Zero chance. Why? Why would that. right. So like if, uh, and Keka is a big one because of the series, which Right. Probably so. But if these guys start going and they come back, yeah. What, what, what would be the point then for the Ryder Cup and the President's Cup to be like, I, it's then at that point it's crumbling. So I've, I was

Cole Ingle: 47:36

actually surprised that, that they ever stepped in and I don't know exactly what the, behind

Stoy Hall: 47:43

the scenes, there's a lot that we just behind the scenes looks like

Cole Ingle: 47:45

from that perspective. But it just seemed like something that Ryder Cup, presence cup, um, needed to stay out of, like pick your guys. This is a dif this is a completely different to this is a team based tournament. This is like, I don't care what two of you play on, I literally just want the best dudes from Europe and the best dudes from the United States to show up at whatever golf course they're gonna show up at, play some golf, which

Stoy Hall: 48:06

has always been that, by the way. Yeah, totally. Like that's why I think there's just something out there we don't know. Right. And, and I say that because of how Rory or Tiger and Tiger's agent and how they're, they're, they're so steadfast. Like there's gotta be something that we all just don't know.

Cole Ingle: 48:24

Right. Well, and my thing is that you look at it and it's like, look at the purses for this year's PGA events.

Stoy Hall: 48:31

Clearly it's helped.

Cole Ingle: 48:33

Yeah. Clearly. Like you can't be mad that the Liv happened. No. Because the Liv helped you push

Stoy Hall: 48:41

your game tour to what it should be helped you to do and tell what the tour to do. Right. And so like, that's why there's got, there's gotta be something else. I'm

Cole Ingle: 48:49

not negative Liv. I don't, I don't like live from what they're doing. Like I think they've completely screwed themselves from a structure perspective. Oh yeah. And like how they market themselves. Um, but as far as like what they've done to grow the game, like they're, they're going to help the PGA more than they're going to hurt at the pga, which is absolutely. Very funny.

Stoy Hall: 49:12

Absolutely. Like,

Cole Ingle: 49:14

right? Yes. I mean, you know, they came in to tear, tear down the PGA and all I was actually I was doing is building it up as we'll see in our numbers that we look at here

Stoy Hall: 49:21

pretty quick. So, yeah. All right. Uh, let's see. Um, don't need to really show all the violence, but we will go ahead and uh, just show that initial clip. So, um, Alvin Camara,

Cole Ingle: 49:38

what is it with hotel

Stoy Hall: 49:39

lobbies? Yeah. Near the elevator. Elevator of

Cole Ingle: 49:42

cameras. Have you ever been in a hotel lobby when somebody just beat the shit outta somebody? Nope. I mean he

Stoy Hall: 49:46

does. I don't think so. I've been in quite a few hotel lobbies. I don't think I've seen one have, by the way, but this is where this shit goes down. Not saying that his career is done, but not saying that it's in good hands.

Cole Ingle: 49:56

Well, I mean, it was already in question to begin

Stoy Hall: 49:58

with, and as a Falcons fan, I am all okay with that. And this, you can't do that. Be smarter. Yeah. Don't do stupid shit. I don't understand these athletes. And making very, very dumb decisions. I do. From a perspective of, I'm sure there's some mental health issues, I'm sure how they're raised, but bro,

Cole Ingle: 50:19

I mean, I'm just putting all the connections together. These are running backs. Mm. In hotel lobbies,

Stoy Hall: 50:27

running backs, hotel lobbies, running backs in there. Prime in hotel lobbies. Gotta stop doing it. You gotta stop doing it, bro. There's cameras there. Cameras. Alright. No, this is not because I'm a bras fan. This is not a Homer post. This is, this is a, a rules post that I'm sure will get fixed before the regular season comes. We're just skipping all over the place. We're in

Cole Ingle: 50:50

a baseball now.

Stoy Hall: 50:51

Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, we are. Okay, we're gonna jump back to golf. That's too, no, that's, I'm not trying to go in order. That's, I'm going in order. All good Twitter. That's all good. That's all, all one of these, A lot of these have just, they, they hit me and I have emotions. So I don't know if you guys, did you know the rules

Cole Ingle: 51:07

before we get into this? Did you know what the rules were before you started watching the highlights on like

Stoy Hall: 51:12

day one or, I knew that there was a, there was a new, um, pitch clock. Pitch clock. I did not know the nuances of the batter clock or the pitch clock. Cause they're the same, or I didn't, they're all integrated. I thought it was legitimately you have 11 sec or whatever. I don't 15, 15 seconds to throw the ball all. I was like, sweet. That makes sense. However, comes out to find the fact of there's a batter clock. The batter's, the batter clock. Well you had to have a batter clock and there's a batter clock because of a

Cole Ingle: 51:40

time clock. You can't put the pitcher on the clock if the batter's

Stoy Hall: 51:43

not on the batters crooks. But like, I, so I'm just like, what is going on?

Cole Ingle: 51:48

I, I did the same thing you did cuz I was like, there's an eight second batter clock there. Eight

Stoy Hall: 51:51

second batter clock. 15 second. 15 second. I think it's 15 second. Yeah. This just had 11 second. It's 11 seconds. There was 11 left. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 15 second pitch clock, eight second batter clock. All right, so this

Cole Ingle: 52:04

is from when? Do you know what? I'm sorry. I'm asking questions that I don't know if you know. Yeah. Is is that from receipt of the ball? From the catcher?

Stoy Hall: 52:14

Uh, for the, the, the 15

Cole Ingle: 52:16

or the, I mean, I assume the 15 starts and then at seven seconds the batter has to be ready so that the picture eight seconds. Well, no, it'd be 15 eight seconds down to seven. Yeah. So like the clock would show seven. Right. I don't know what they're seeing. Is the problem, like are they only seeing one clock or are they seeing a battery clock?

Stoy Hall: 52:33

No. Right now there is, in this picture, doesn't do it justice. Right. They have a giant clock to left. Right. For the picture. For the picture. I don't know what the batter's seeing.

Cole Ingle: 52:40

I assume they have something in the outfield over the fence that says, oh, that counts

Stoy Hall: 52:43

down from eight. Yeah, I would assume so. Okay. Um, once

Cole Ingle: 52:46

the catcher or the pitcher

Stoy Hall: 52:48

catches the ball, I, I don't know. I think it's when he takes place. I don't know that. Okay. Got your nuance, but I do know mm-hmm. that he's gotta be in the batter's box. Right.

Cole Ingle: 52:58

and ready

Stoy Hall: 52:59

to receive the pitch or, and apparently eyes up is the thing. Eye eyes up. Um, and so what happens, okay, we're at bottom nine. Red Sox, Braves bases. Loaded. Base is loaded. Full count, full count, two outs. And this is the scenario, right? Um, I, I think he had stepped outta the box, but he's sit in the box. He's deemed the, the, the, um, deemed him not ready. Correct. Okay. Which, I mean, he wasn't No, he, he I mean, hold on back to, I'm gonna go back to the rule with the eyes. His eyes are up. So also I'll

Cole Ingle: 53:40

get there. I'm good.

Stoy Hall: 53:42

I wanna get there. So they call him strike three game. Everyone's confused as shit. Mm-hmm. well, everybody at first, he actually runs down to, first, he runs down first because it's

Cole Ingle: 53:52

the other way. Has done something wrong,

Stoy Hall: 53:54

not well. He's taking the clock for the pitcher. Okay. Because then it's a ball. Mm-hmm. Right. So he's taking first base game over. Right. Okay. So that's what's going on right now. Okay. Literally, he's standing in the box, his eyes are up. He might not be in the best batting position, but why would you be if the catcher is standing in the other box? Straight up looking down the line?

Cole Ingle: 54:15

Yeah. He's looking at his wristband to call the

Stoy Hall: 54:16

pitch, oh, my bad. But are relevant. He's not set ready.

Cole Ingle: 54:21

He's not in the catcher's box already.

Stoy Hall: 54:23

So we have, so now we have, have a catcher's tie. If this thing continues, which I don't think, I think they'll, they'll figure this out because this doesn't make sense. We have a pitcher ready, a batter. I mean, as a batter, you're technically ready. As soon as the pitcher would go back, he would just put his back. If you're in the box, you're, you're gonna be ready with your eyes up. I just don't understand. The catcher couldn't receive anything right now. I mean,

Cole Ingle: 54:44

he could, he's standing there. Like if the guy starts his wind up, he's gonna catch it.

Stoy Hall: 54:48

Yeah, but like as a batter. No, I agree. He's not ready. I'm

Cole Ingle: 54:52

not disagreeing with what

Stoy Hall: 54:53

you're saying. How's

Cole Ingle: 54:53

the ump in here going? I don't know why there's a batter's clock.

Stoy Hall: 54:56

I don't know why it's a batter's clock. Because

Cole Ingle: 54:58

here's what you do. You get rid of the batter's clock. You tell the pitcher he's got 15 seconds pitch whenever. Whenever the hell he's ready. I don't give a shit. If you're standing in there, I'm throwing it. You know what your ass is gonna do as a batter, get in the damn box. Right. We're we

Stoy Hall: 55:11

can eliminate that. I think that's why they did the batters, because they give them time to get set. Right. And so then from there the pitcher can go because otherwise you get your ass in there. Looks, otherwise, if you start the clock at zero, he has 15 seconds to throw. Right. While he's walking up. I can throw a strike. But

Cole Ingle: 55:25

the thing is, is with the catcher, the catcher's irrelevant. I, I know it looks bad, but the catcher's irrelevant because if that catcher isn't ready at 15, it's on the pitcher. Like that's what the pitcher clock

Stoy Hall: 55:38

is covering I think. I think you have to say, when you say pitcher clock, Those two are in tandem. Oh yeah. It's, it's the battery clock. It's the, yeah, it's the battery clock. Uhhuh the batter, the pitcher and the catcher need to be in position. Right. But, and not, and so I, this

Cole Ingle: 55:55

one box all over the place, one soak, this was

Stoy Hall: 55:58

league game. This one got me. But then I, um, see, and I don't know what picture it was. He's like, I actually like this cuz it, it, it's to the advantage of the pitcher who isn't sent into the routine batters are, have more routine and more nuances to how they do their thing than a pitcher. So I will agree, except for closers,

Cole Ingle: 56:19

relief pitchers are gonna be uncomfortable. Correct. Um, and, and I, I would even lean to, to your point to closers. Closers especially, they have a whole, when the game's on the line, because they're coming in to literally close the. to literally win or lose. Yeah. A game. Um, so that's, you know, the putt on the 17th and 18th hole on a, on a Sunday.

Stoy Hall: 56:42

That's, but also that rule shouldn't be for them. Could you imagine coming down the 18th and they're already on the clock because of earlier on?

Cole Ingle: 56:50

Well, you mean like they were this week

Stoy Hall: 56:52

I didn't, I didn't know that. That's funny. But like

Cole Ingle: 56:54

two and a half holes behind. Oh, ouch. But the two guys that were, they were playing together to win. So you're going

Stoy Hall: 57:02

you can't knock them. Well, I

Cole Ingle: 57:04

mean, but you're gonna knock'em the same. Right. So relevant doesn't, you can knock'em all the strokes you want. They're not gonna make it like there was enough of a gap that it wasn't right. Gonna matter. But I

Stoy Hall: 57:13

don't think that should be for the, the closers, unless they're being egregious. But most closers aren't, they have a routine. Right. It's an intense moment. Mm-hmm. batters don't really mess with closers either though. No. Like, like, it's typically not one of those things where I'm stepping outta the box four times. I mean, this is, I just this most ridiculous, I can't wait till that change. I apologize to everybody.

Cole Ingle: 57:32

It'll be,

Stoy Hall: 57:33

uh, I'll take some getting used to back to golf. Do you see this line up? This line? This field was Yeah. So this was just on a Monday. It was yesterday actually. Better come on. Oh, oh, oh. Back up, Mike. Look at, I'm gonna give you guys time just to look at the T times here and just look at some of the players. I don't even have to point'em out for you. Just look like, take your time. It's fine. You know, lemme get to sheet too. Say,

Cole Ingle: 58:07

I don't think sheet one was

Stoy Hall: 58:08

very good. It's not as good, but I mean, you, stu you have, it's just look at this, uh, this side

Cole Ingle: 58:15

just, I mean, there you go. Now you're starting to get to some names there on page two. Page one. Didn't have a lot of names on it. No. I mean, if, but I mean, you didn't have to have a lot of names in order to compete with the, you had, but like a lot of some of these guys played this weekend. They did. Uh, CHUs are here. Yeah. Horschel

Stoy Hall: 58:31

Horschel. Um, like, but Larry, what? Larry, I mean, JT ended up winning. Oh, Larry flew out. Yeah. Like this meant more

Cole Ingle: 58:41

Uhhuh and Tea because he came out Wait, wait, wait. And played at the Seminole on at eight

Stoy Hall: 58:46

30 in the morning. Yeah. I Fred even look at the details. Oh yeah. Yes. This lineup Way better than played at seven 30. This was better than the Honda and the live combined. Oh, absolutely. Like without just

Cole Ingle: 59:00

this page. And basically it's just a big ProAm. Um, but it is, you see Tom Brady on there, um, hilarious. You see, you know, he played with f now. Hilarious.

Stoy Hall: 59:08

I just loved that. But

Cole Ingle: 59:10

yeah, JT ended up winning that tournament. I loved it. Did he? Yep.

Stoy Hall: 59:14

Well, I mean, JT and his partner legitimately his home course, right? No, I, so he, you should, shouldn't

Cole Ingle: 59:19

have lost. Yeah. Shot 63. It's just a one day. It's a little fun. Uhhuh Little fun. But it is handicapped. He didn't win the handicap portion. They won

Stoy Hall: 59:26

the, the side bats on that thing. Oh, I loved it. Netflix, you should have been there. They probably were. That's true. The side bets on that one. I bet were,

Cole Ingle: 59:35

that'd been a fun one to be at though, just cuz it was a one day or I bet that was pretty aggressive. I don't know that there were So

Stoy Hall: 59:41

checking in on Liv. Speaking of tickets, speaking of tickets, just checking in on Liv in an afternoon programming of cw. On the CW

Cole Ingle: 59:50

is this seventh heaven? I think I used to watch that show on cw.

Stoy Hall: 59:53

Just saying, uh, let's throw that one in there.

Cole Ingle: 59:56

Yeah. So, uh, they're having fun at live. Yeah. Lives. Nobody's in there. Nobody. Nobody That's there not, there is not one or nobody. Yeah. Nobody that's not there is not watching. But we won't stick

Stoy Hall: 1:00:05

on that one long. But, uh, yeah. Hello? Yikes. All right. From you roughing, a passer from a quarterback. No way.

Cole Ingle: 1:00:14

Um, yeah, I mean I've always, you know, I know this side.

Stoy Hall: 1:00:17

I've been on this. I know, but I, this was a good

Cole Ingle: 1:00:19

one. So Field Yates, um, real applying to. um, mark Maskey one NFL team has proposed making roughing the passer reviewable by instant replay. Uh, competition committee expects to review the, the proposal yesterday. Uh, I didn't see anything else in follow up to that. Pardon? Um, make the news yet. Phil Yates kind of feels like we do about that as far as it shouldn't have a major impact on the game. There's very obvious non calls or recalls. Uh, my very brief and distinct opinion on is, is if we're buzzing down like we are now, the booth already the booth, the booth just needs to buzz down and tell you to pick up the flag. We move on with the game. Zero should not, not zero factor. This is not a walk to the sideline ever. Like if you ever have to walk to the sideline to review it, then it stands as called. Um, but. They just need to, to conference down. Say, pick up the flag. Sorry. There's no, there's no flag for roughing the pass around the play. Everybody forgets about it. You move on. Um, us the NFL never announced that though. Like when they were, I mean, we talked about it a ton during the postseason. We just did it. They just started doing it and then we had the chip in the ball. I mean, didn't all those things,

Stoy Hall: 1:01:42

uh, was it They didn't really, was it week, was it week 18 though, that they started? Maybe. I feel like it wasn't the playoffs yet and they just did it and we were like, time out. Yeah, all season season. You didn't, did you do it all season? Did we forget something, right? No, you just wanted to mention it now.

Cole Ingle: 1:01:56

Yeah. I don't, I mean, and I don't know what the answer to that is, but the fact that it was never, like, it was never a point of discussion.

Stoy Hall: 1:02:02

No, but it is now. Apparently it is a thing. Uh, and

Cole Ingle: 1:02:05

as it should be. Like that's just flow of the game. Like you have these, I mean, you're paying those guys how much money couple

Stoy Hall: 1:02:11

mill and like

Cole Ingle: 1:02:13

we as fans absolutely get the best views, the slow mos, like we are refs in our living rooms. because of the shots that we get from technology, from the overhead, from the, I mean we get six different angles. The rep that threw the flag got one angle. Yeah. So it's not fair to the refs. Completely

Stoy Hall: 1:02:33

agree. So put rest in the bamboo. Who knows the rules, which sees what we see and that's what they have. So, so just get it, John being done. Right. Like don't make it a big deal. And then he goes, buzz. Yep. Pick up the flag. Yep. Just missed that one. Move on.

Cole Ingle: 1:02:48

Pick up. Move it on. Cool. Buzz flag will be picked up. First

Stoy Hall: 1:02:54

step now game over like our net Game over. Move on. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:02:58

And Pace play stays the same. Like that's all

Stoy Hall: 1:03:01

we like. We would be more upset probably because the announcers wouldn't get the information immediately. Right. So we'd be like, whoa, what the hell was that? Yeah. But then like we would get it from Bino or somebody and used to it. Just

Cole Ingle: 1:03:12

fix up. Okay, cool. Like let's keep the flow of the game going, so. Oh, absolutely.

Stoy Hall: 1:03:16

Oh man. Sticking to football. I have this. Mm. Uh, let me make sure we got sound. The bags are different. Yeah. We want mother, father, you know, dual parent. Mm-hmm. We want that kid to be three, five and up cuz he gotta be smart. Mm-hmm. um, not bad decisions off the field, uh, at all. Mm-hmm. because he has to be a leader of men. It's so many different attributes in what we look for. Uh, physical, I mean, offensive line defensive lineman is totally opposite. What do you mean single mama

Cole Ingle: 1:03:49

trying to get

Stoy Hall: 1:03:49

it? He's on free lunch. I mean, like, uh, I mean, I'm talking about just trying to make it, he trying to rescue mama Like, so this one hits so many different feelings for me. Like left, right up, down, up all the, all over the place. Mm-hmm. my initial listening to it in gut reaction was like, Duh. Now for those that are just listening, um, this was Dion talking about how he recruits mm-hmm. And essentially I'm a, I'm gonna summarize cuz you can listen later. Offensive guys. He wants to come from a a two-parent home solid structure. May, uh, 3.2 gpa, I think. Was it o lineman and above across the board for offensive guys. Defensive guys. He wants dogs. I don't care about it. Single parent, home, hard worker. Don't care about your gpa. Just I need dogs. Now. When I first heard that, I was like, yeah, right. Let's go defense. And then, um, and then I, and then I got to thinking more about it. Um, I came from a single parent home. Obviously I ended up being a defensive guy, but I was a fullback. Like I loved that position more than I did linebacker until I was only playing linebacker. Yeah. I got to thinking about it from, um, a perspective of households. Yeah. There is so many black boys at that point that don't have fathers that Dionne knows this. Mm-hmm. that could not play offense. That there's outlet. This is not, this is, he's not only picking this, right. He prefers, okay, this is what he's saying. I mean, it came out of his mouth. Literally. The fact that they can't go play offense for him. Right. The fact that now, or the fact that if you're on the fence, I better go play defense. Well,

Cole Ingle: 1:05:52

and if he, if Dion's on the fence between Right. You and you, you're both four stars. You're both three stars. You're both five stars. Mm-hmm. I mean, we know where, right. I mean, he has come out with his bias,

Stoy Hall: 1:06:06

and I, I applaud him for that. I applauded him for his directness and all of that. But then I started really diving into it in like how bad of a message it could be. Mm-hmm. in where we're at currently in our American society. Mm-hmm. um, does it make, uh, a black man who has a child more apt to stay in the home? No factor. No. Doesn't matter. No. Does it put more mental strain in issues and trauma on a black kid whose father left him? Yes. Because you're narrowing his pool of success even more. Yeah. And that's what, um, you know, Chris Williamson is basically staying. That's what a lot of. black athletes were saying is you were making it harder. Mm-hmm. you just made it harder. Right? For the majority of us, majority's probably aggressive. I don't know the numbers Right. To be successful because now other college coaches are gonna look at this, this is gonna be the new norm. Now it won't be, but like, all right, it's gonna be geared towards that. And this is now public because of you. Yeah. I just

Cole Ingle: 1:07:28

like, that's, I didn't understand the benefit. Um, just looking at it from a global perspective, I didn't understand the benefit of Dionne one saying it, but two, like it was a very casual conversation. Um, oh, Eisen laughing. Um, which, which, I mean, so like the whole, like for the whole conversation to come up casually into very pointed like, recruiting verticals. Yeah. For lack of a better Chan, uh, name is just like, first of all, like, why are you sharing any of your recruiting tactic, recruiting tactics, um, procedures, you know? Mm-hmm. whatever. And then second of all, like why are you going into that detail? The detail so detailed. Like, I mean, let put me in there. Right. Whitest white dude. Coaching. If I say that I don't have a

Stoy Hall: 1:08:32

job. No, you're done.

Cole Ingle: 1:08:34

Um, you were done. Again, part of the problem in our society. Mm-hmm. Um, we're okay with it coming from Deion. We're not okay with it coming from Saban when ultimately it's having probably a bigger impact. And you can speak to this way more than I can, but you tell me If Saban was sitting there and said the exact same thing, or if Deion said it, which one has a bigger impact on the black community? Deion,

Stoy Hall: 1:09:02

I'm gonna play defense. Like I'm, I'm, I'm only focused on defense. Right.

Cole Ingle: 1:09:06

But I mean, if Saban says it, he gets, he gets beat up from, oh, and he gets

Stoy Hall: 1:09:10

absolutely. From a racial perspective, railroaded railroad, like Absolutely. And

Cole Ingle: 1:09:14

I mean, maybe not fired because he's Nick Saban, but absolutely railroaded, absolutely. Put on

Stoy Hall: 1:09:21

complete. This is, this is everywhere, like so far. But

Cole Ingle: 1:09:27

that's the media, that's social media, that's the outlash, that's all of those things. And, and warranted, don't get me wrong. Mm-hmm. my point is that this didn't really get, I mean, yeah, it got put out there, but it didn't get put on blast. No. And it has, his words have a bigger impact on that kid that's going to be affected than Saban's word. Words would, in my opinion, in my think a black man saying this has a bigger impact on the black community than if a white man said it. regard across the board. And then when you put it, it's freaking primetime. Like, what the hell? Like, what are you doing? What,

Stoy Hall: 1:10:06

like you just came from. Right? I die. I from a a, a historically black, black college. College. Like you just came from, just came from there. So I, again, I watched And that's what your

Cole Ingle: 1:10:19

mindset was while you were there. Like, I didn't watch this. Maybe that's why they wanted to get rid of

Stoy Hall: 1:10:22

your ass, right? I didn't watch the whole thing. No, but, and I'm not gonna give him the benefit of the doubt at all from like a contextual standpoint. Cuz this's just not bad. You should know this and he knows this. He's a marketer. Is he playing a game? Maybe. Right. But you can't, I believe you cannot say that as a black man in his position with his power, uh, because you, you do more harm than good, in my opinion. Right. Like

Cole Ingle: 1:10:48

it, and I'm not saying that if Deion wants to look at his board that way,

Stoy Hall: 1:10:53

Cool. Don't say it. Fine. And like, first of all, it's trade secrets, in my opinion. Understand that

Cole Ingle: 1:10:59

the way that recruiting happens these days, you're a lot closer to those kids than whether or not they got one or two parents in the house, right? I mean, we're, we've been in the house, we understand what that family life is like. We, I mean, these coaches know, we know'em right now, we're, you know, or their recruiting position knows them, you know them. So like, hey, one family house, really solid family, this dude, you know, like, whatever. Mm-hmm. But the fact that we're just gonna come out and like, boom, these are the, this is what we're doing. And not say what you

Stoy Hall: 1:11:31

just said three, right. 3.2 dude. And it's like also like even 3.2 for O line, but 3.5 for position players, right? Like you mentioned

Cole Ingle: 1:11:44

like 3.2 and 3.5. At every high school in America are completely different depending on what that curriculum looks like. So different. And I'm talking, you look at Des Moines, Iowa, 10 miles apart, what a 3.5 looks like at East High School in Des Moines and Southeast po. Southeast Polk High School in Ronalds, Iowa, that are literally, basically off of University Avenue, less than 10, 12 miles apart, looks completely different. And I know that because we played with Scotty Fabong, who graduated as Val Victorian from East High School. Scotty, brilliant dude, went to the Air Force, came back to Drake, no problems getting into school. But Scotty will tell you what high school life was like at East versus what high school like life was like at Southeast Polk versus what it's like in Wahe, right. Versus what it's like in Valley, you know? Like that's within a metro area where you can drive to any of those places in 25 minutes. That's not nationwide. I mean, I know the socioeconomic impacts just of that, that I know, let alone what Dion's dealing with on a daily basis.

Stoy Hall: 1:12:56

Like, come on, man. And, and he's literally, this is literally like, so at this point, college, uh, recruiting is worldwide. So we're talking about the, this impacts the world now more now rationally. But like, you're, you're talking about a small footprint. This is, this was, I, I definitely lost. It was tone destiny. I, I definitely lost respect for dealing on this. And I love the shit I, Tiana. I mean, I think God lost a lot of really good things. Obviously a Falcon's guy, like I, I know that, but like, this one is baffling to me, but that one hurts, man. I don't, I don't grasp it. I

Cole Ingle: 1:13:32

don't understand the point of like, in his mind, like, uh, what. Dion is like, to your point, Dion is a marketer. Like that guy, he knows what he's doing. Oh, his exec. I mean he is set out. This is what we're doing. This is why we're doing it. Regardless of where he is going. He did this on purpose, but

Stoy Hall: 1:13:51

why? Obviously part of it, obviously for views, clearly dudes, stomach sake, he knew this was getting attention. Anytime he speaks, gets attention. I mean he's on

Cole Ingle: 1:14:01

a very popular,

Stoy Hall: 1:14:02

but like why that? Right? Why that

Cole Ingle: 1:14:06

he's on with the dude that runs the broadcasting at the NFL network. So it's like he didn't need the views. Like I know whoever was on it, but I'm saying there, you and I could have been on there and been famous because we were talking to Rich Eisen

Stoy Hall: 1:14:20

for shit's sake. But that's what I'm saying. What I mean, like it's not for that, but that's like the only thing I that what else?

Cole Ingle: 1:14:26

I mean if he wanted to drop that, then just have your son run the video camera and drop it. Just talk to it and drop it on YouTube or whatever the hell you wanna drop it. Like put it on a TikTok like

Stoy Hall: 1:14:34

Yeah. I don't, I don't know. And media should have blasted this cuz if a white man would've done this, it would've been everywhere. And this comes back and I'm not gonna dive into it. Deep black on black crime is not highlighted as much as black on white or white on black. No, I mean and that's the same thing with this, right? It should be blasted just as much because this is more impactful. Right. Okay. I mean

Cole Ingle: 1:14:59

if Kirk Ferren came out and said that dude wouldn't have a job

Stoy Hall: 1:15:03

at Iowa, he wouldn't have a job. Huh. Which is saying a lot cuz they don't fire Fs for shit Right. For shit. All right, well let's get back into golf as we wind this up and dive Yeah. Even deeper into, uh, the Arne Dne Palmer, which is a delicious drink. Add a little vodka. Even better. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:15:21

You mean the daily.

Stoy Hall: 1:15:23

Yes. The daily, um, back to nuclear golf, by the way. Okay. So Liv Liv's job is to, well, job is trying to take over and dominate the pga, blah, blah, blah. It's documented. That's what they want to do. Right? They also have changed how they're, and this goes actually more to your point of the marketing and everything. Yeah. Um, but the whole purpose is like, you know, bigger draw, et cetera. Yeah. And now their focus on what they have said has always been in the United States. They've obviously have a draw global. We're gonna count that out. We're only focused on the United States right now, and yes, we're Americans. So Mer uh, the other point of it is the fact that they, you know, have their, basically their own viewership, right? They're trying to really focus that on the us So here's the stats. Official ratings are in. This is the US viewership Fort Liv on CW and Honda on n nbc. People can make a, an argument about, again, the international audiences and streaming numbers, but we all know the US is the biggest market and it's why Liv is Flaunted being in 120 plus million homes on the US tv. Okay. So let's go ahead and make this a little bigger. Well, or, or the exact opposite. Okay. Let's make that way smaller. How do you zoom? Let's make it

Cole Ingle: 1:16:52

smaller, but then we can see more.

Stoy Hall: 1:16:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for you watching, you'll be able to see this, uh, when I cut it up. That being said, so let's start with the lowest viewership. Mm-hmm. lowest viewership was on the CW Live golf on Saturday. Yeah. Okay. Next, uh, CW Live golf on Sunday, Sunday. Okay. Uh, then we've got all four days on the PGA Tour Network. Mm-hmm. Okay. Part of it, we were just comparing n NBC to cw. Yep. But we gotta throw in the, the net, the golf in between, it's the golf channel in between the golf channel. So the golf channel makes up everything between what's gonna happen with NBC and, and lift golf. Okay. Yep. And so, CW and the golf channel, reasonably the same numbers. I think it goes from like 2 96 to, I can't see that. 8 31. 8 31. Yep. Okay. We're within a, we're within a range. Okay. Then I'm gonna get out so I can actually read the numbers to you. 6 31, excuse me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 2 86. 2 86 to 6 31. So we have a, that's a reasonably smallish. Yeah. Yeah, right. Okay. The top two, neither one are great. NBC Saturday. Yep. 1,610. So 1000 more than the golf channel and 1400 more than live did tops. Mm-hmm. Okay. It's fine. That's, that's a big number. Yeah. And we get to Sunday in BC at Damn near 2,400. Yeah. 10 Xam. Pretty much Damn near 10 Xam. Yeah. 10 Xtm, that's a new

Cole Ingle: 1:18:49

one. And this is the, one of the bottom

Stoy Hall: 1:18:54

probably will be the lowest numbers in golf this year. Debatably. The lower sister. I

Cole Ingle: 1:18:59

probably, and this was the first lived tournament of the year, specifically put on this weekend. So they did not compete with any of the big tournaments, any of the big tournaments. I mean, the numbers speak for themselves. I don't have to say,

Stoy Hall: 1:19:15

just want everyone to know what the numbers were. Yeah. That's all that was. The numbers don't lie. Numbers don't lie. All right. Here we are. We're back. Yeah. Back to golf. Right? Wow. Back to golf in all the emails because it phone vibrate I thought it was cuz of that. But off to the Arnie, Arnie, Arnie Palmer, man. What did it? Yeah, we're good. I I love this course. I love playing indoors. Um, I think we should go do that on Friday, but whatever's

Cole Ingle: 1:19:53

Arnold Palmer Invitational.

Stoy Hall: 1:19:57

All right, let's, uh, roll, roll out. Wow. The amount of

Cole Ingle: 1:20:04

at Bay Hill, um, defending champion Scotty Scheffler You hear that a lot

Stoy Hall: 1:20:11

this year? I think put that one on repeat. Uh, yeah. Ooh, I need to go to Draftking.

Cole Ingle: 1:20:16

Uh, so you're looking at, um, I'll jump in here and, and do a quick weather breakdown, uh, Thursday through Sunday in Orlando. The first week in, in March, uh, Thursday is 89 degrees, five to 10 mile an hour wind. And sunny, uh, my only assumption is maybe a bit humid, but, uh, enjoyable weather on Thursday, Friday. The wind's gonna pick up a little bit. Uh, we've got 91 for a high on Friday, but the wind mid-morning through early afternoon's gonna pick up to 15 to 20. So right on the cusp of having, uh, having a little bit of impact there, just, uh, depending, uh, Saturday there's a 44, 40 to 50% chance of rain, uh, mid to late afternoon. uh, 20% chance of rain the rest of the day. Okay. So yeah, my, I mean, kind of a Florida rain type of thing, right? Uh, so you might, might get enough, uh, to postpone a little bit, but I don't think you're gonna get enough to, to move the tournament days or anything like that. It doesn't seem, um, winds really aren't too big of a factor that day either. So, um, you know, maybe in that same 10 to 15, uh, maybe up to 20 gusts type of thing. So I don't, I don't see anything crazy there. And then Sunday's supposed to be pretty much perfect, 83 after the cooling rain comes in, five great finish, miles an hour, a great finish. So yeah, perfect condition, soft course for finish. Expect low scores on Sunday. Um, so it might be up for some, some surprise there just because, uh, there's gonna be, I, I feel like low numbers out there, um, come Sunday morning. So,

Stoy Hall: 1:22:10

and, um, from a, a field perspective, Yeah. So we talked about, you saw the field earlier. Yeah. Right. On our Twitter, just those, all of them are playing, let's put it that way, right? Like this is, uh, you got Rom, Scheffler, Rory Schley, pheno, Cantley, Marwa, ZLA, Torress, Homa, Holin, jt uh, Hatton, day M, Fitzpatrick Young, Tom, Kim, Keith, Mitchell, Jordan, SP, ducky, Zi, Shane Lare. And I just went through like the top 20, right, right. Like that's where we stand. Yeah. Ladies and Jets. This is, uh, a really good field and as it should be, as we gear up for the players. Yeah. Um, so good to see you. Good to see you there. And, um, what I would like to know, at least on DraftKings and I can pull up, um, FanDuel if you are busy, let's see if I can run both at the same time without effing something up. Uh, I need PJ. Please, please and thank you. You hanging? Nope. Yep. They're both sitting at the same. There is, there's a sizable gap from an N'S perspective of the top three to the rest of the field. Um, Rob Sheley and Rory, I think they flip a little bit. They go from six 50 to 900 plus 900. Then it, then it's schley, pheno, cantley at plus 2000. And you've got DraftKings, right? Uhhuh. And I was actually talking about both of'em cuz I looked it up, but Right. That legit, that's a, that's a gap. Let's get big gap. Yeah. I mean, and I mean that's big gap,

Cole Ingle: 1:23:46

especially for what we're used to seeing within, I mean those are, that's a loaded Yeah. Top 15 even. Huh? Um, that's a gap. And the, it's funny because the gap between third and fourth is as big as the gap between fourth and like

Stoy Hall: 1:24:04

14 and like the rest. Yeah. I

Cole Ingle: 1:24:07

mean, you go from. Houma, Enza, TAUs at plus 2000. Like Holand and Day are plus 3,100. And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,

Stoy Hall: 1:24:19

9 guys. And it's all over the map because, uh, z Tous and Homer plus 2200 and they're, and there's Chk female cant lay Mcca car above them at 2000. Mm-hmm. look, there's, there's gaps here. There's, there's

Cole Ingle: 1:24:34

value here. Definitely difference in, in sights as well this week again. Yeah. Um, get some value out there if you like a certain

Stoy Hall: 1:24:41

guy. Throw it out there though. JT did win on Monday. He did. Just saying in Florida. So,

Cole Ingle: 1:24:48

uh, pick should be interesting this week just because we have the guys mm-hmm. um, we've made the switch, the shift, if you will, from West coast to Florida.

Stoy Hall: 1:24:58

Mm-hmm. um,

Cole Ingle: 1:24:59

the Florida swag, we've talked about this before. There are guys that play in Arizona and there are guys that play in. Florida in the off season. And those are, I mean, California, Arizona, and, and Florida are like, those are their, are three main areas that we're playing golf in the United States. Absolutely. Relatively speaking year round or as these guys are playing, that's where their members at. Anything like that, um, that makes a difference.

Stoy Hall: 1:25:26

It does. Um, you're not wrong.

Cole Ingle: 1:25:28

This is, you know, home field advantage for some guys and other guys. It's, uh, you know, they're coming, it's uncomfortable coming in hot, but not necessarily on Yeah. Their, what, what would be their home courses. So, uh, a lot to take in from that perspective. I would say the hottest guys in the world are actually typically West Coast players. Mm-hmm. right now. Um, when you look at Homa Rom, Scheffler is kind of a mix. Uh, he's won on both sides, uh, last year. So he, he. Is from Texas. So that kind of makes sense. Um, he kind of probably just does whatever, but, um, you know, if you're looking at, at Colin, um, you know, jts gonna be more of a Florida guy. Fina's gonna be more of an Arizona guy. Uh, Jason Day, gonna be more of a Florida guy. I think Holand's a Florida guy. Homa more of a West coast guy. Uh, McElroy more of a Florida guy. Yep. So, huh. There's, I mean, there's a lot to it, you know, lot. Do you ride the hot hand? Do you ride the home course? Uh, do you do a little bit of both? Um, I think a little bit of both, probably. We'll see. Sprinkle here, sprinkle there. But, uh, any big, uh, big thoughts going into this weekend? As far as, I mean, in your mind, one of the, one of the big guys has taken this down. Ah,

Stoy Hall: 1:26:59

absolutely. Okay. If you're picking one and done, you, you better, you better go top. You can go top seven. but one of them is knocking this thing down. Okay. And I don't, I don't see guys, it's, it's a deep field, but I don't, I don't see it coming from someone else. Okay. Not, not a chance. Not in Florida. Not with the way, uh, they're playing, man. Yeah. Just, there's good value, but I don't see it. I just, I just don't see you bear, pick top seven to ride chalk. Chalk away this week. Chalk away. That's why, uh,

Cole Ingle: 1:27:36

I mean, there's a lot of, I mean, that's the thing this week is there's just a ton

Stoy Hall: 1:27:39

of chalk. There's so much chalk. Uh, top 40 will be easy. Uh, player fades gonna be a little tough, dark horse. Uh, relatively. I'm relatively easy not to win, but like, they're gonna play well. Mm-hmm. I mean, you've got a lot of value this week. Um, picking the winner as actually probably the, I would believe, I think is the hardest pick. Yeah. It always is. Let's be real. I mean, right. But like this one, This is tough. And I'm, I'm actually going more of an emotional pick when I pick Oh, not you. Yeah, right. Uh, when I pick, you never go with the gut. When I pick my outright, um, I'm still stuck on my one and done. But the rest man, you got value. Yeah, you got value. So let's start at the bottom. Player to fade. Probably one of the hardest picks, actually, I would probably actually singly put this is, this is gonna be a tough one. Yeah. Um, but I'll start it off. Okay. I'm going exactly what you just said with the, the whole fe the whole Phoenix, west coast, east Coast, yeah. Florida swang. Um, and I'm, I'm gonna go, I'm sadly, sadly I'm gonna go with our boy female, um, first tournament in Florida. He's just not gonna. Okay. He's, he's a Phoenix guy. That's what happens, uh, right now. Plus, now I got him at plus

Cole Ingle: 1:28:54

two. You got him plus 2000. But where's he at in your order? Cause that's gonna matter this week. 1,

Stoy Hall: 1:28:59

2, 3. He's t3. See,

Cole Ingle: 1:29:01

and I've got him at, geez, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,

Stoy Hall: 1:29:08

10. I will take the t3.

Cole Ingle: 1:29:13

Interesting.

Stoy Hall: 1:29:14

Very, to be fair, there's four tied at

Cole Ingle: 1:29:17

three. He's at plus 2,600 all alone at,

Stoy Hall: 1:29:20

uh, wow. He, he

Cole Ingle: 1:29:22

stops the top 10 on FanDuel. Wow.

Stoy Hall: 1:29:28

So, by the way, I think draft King's and FanDuel, and I'll probably say this a lot, they need a fade one like we do. Yeah. They need a fade one. Right. But anyways, wow. I will take that at t3, so, yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:29:39

Um, wow.

Stoy Hall: 1:29:44

But I, I like'em inside the top 15. Is that bad? No, I mean, I,

Cole Ingle: 1:29:50

I, that's, I feel like, and misses, but to, to take both sides honestly. Like really, um, in a little bit, uh, from that perspective. Um,

Stoy Hall: 1:30:00

and for me, he'll end up at like nine. Yeah. And I, I don't win.

Cole Ingle: 1:30:05

So what is Homa on your side?

Stoy Hall: 1:30:09

You can't, can't, you don't know that until after? No, that's just not, that's exactly how that works.

Cole Ingle: 1:30:15

That's not how that works. Um, I just don't, I mean, I'm not betting against Rom.

Stoy Hall: 1:30:25

Um, no. Can you be against Vri and Arne? I mean, I don't want the one tournament. Like he really wants to win outside of Major.

Cole Ingle: 1:30:32

Let's met 10 guys. And the guys that I would who, um, bet against would be, um, rainy Champ Scheffler would be either Colin or, or Homa. Um, Because they're more West Coast guys. Yeah. Uh uh Which one is fourth and one is, well, one is t4 and the other one is technically 2100. So he would be sixth alone or fifth. You know, if you're, if you're doing t4, you got one. Oh, I you got two. Two T t2, two at t4 and he would be sixth, I guess. Um, who do I think has a, I'm gonna fade

Stoy Hall: 1:31:21

Homa. All right. Oh, I hate doing that.

Cole Ingle: 1:31:24

That makes me

Stoy Hall: 1:31:25

physically ill. He's a t4. Do be fair, mark was T3 one of the hundred at t3? So that one's tough. Uh, yeah, cuz

Cole Ingle: 1:31:41

MoCo is 2100 here and ho almost

Stoy Hall: 1:31:43

2000. Home was 22. Mark was two. Two. So, but all

Cole Ingle: 1:31:49

right. Homa and V now, uh, two of our favorite golfers.

Stoy Hall: 1:31:52

Yeah, I know. It so sucks.

Cole Ingle: 1:31:54

Like, it'll be like, I won't root against these guys this weekend. No, no. But at all. But, uh, yeah, but I could

Stoy Hall: 1:31:59

see it.

Cole Ingle: 1:32:00

Yeah, could see it. So, uh, they could also possibly win and be a double shitty shot. So Oh, wouldn't that be

Stoy Hall: 1:32:07

a something

Cole Ingle: 1:32:08

motherfucker. All right.

Stoy Hall: 1:32:09

Top 40 bitch. Yep. Let's go Top 40, man. There's, I like some around here. Mm. Hey, one just jumped right at me, but how do you not take a Florida kid in the top 40? I, I don't know. How don't you? I mean, so let me ride with Billy Horschel. Oh, he something I had to get in there quick. Got me this. As soon as I said that, I was like, oh yeah, I'd like that pair. I played particularly well last week, but Arnie played

Cole Ingle: 1:32:43

good two rounds, played terrible two rounds, right. Kind of finished

Stoy Hall: 1:32:47

me,

Cole Ingle: 1:32:48

Billy. So let's see. Billy is plus 1 25 plus

Stoy Hall: 1:32:51

1 25. Ooh. I haven't got the same hots. Uh, no. Excuse me. Oh,

Cole Ingle: 1:32:58

I'll take 45. You can get him at plus 1 45. Wow. Um, wow. I am going to ride Bo. No, no.

Stoy Hall: 1:33:09

Um, Sam Rider? No. I think I

Cole Ingle: 1:33:12

like either. I think I'm gonna go with Gary Woodland i's been playing good golf. Gary, Gary plus one

Stoy Hall: 1:33:24

15 plus one Hyundai.

Cole Ingle: 1:33:27

Wow. For Gary. The other guy I was looking at there was Taylor Montgomery, who's played good, good. Solid golf this year, so Yeah, that's fair. Uh, dark horse.

Stoy Hall: 1:33:35

I'm going through Ricky. These things get aggressive fast. I had to hurry up and

Cole Ingle: 1:33:41

get that. Um, he's 5,500 for me.

Stoy Hall: 1:33:46

What the hell is Ricky? Where'd he go? Uh, yeah, he's 5,500. You know what? Because give me Sam Burns 55. I mean, why wouldn't I? Someone's gotta who I mean, but there's good value here. You got Mat Yama? Yep. Five Lowry, king Bradley, Justin Rose, Tommy, Fleetwood, Connor, STIG, Woodland, Kirk.

Cole Ingle: 1:34:18

I mean, you can get Tom Kim good, lower, and Keith Mitchell both at five. The rest of those guys are under five for me. So Burns is 4,800. Wait, what?

Stoy Hall: 1:34:27

Yeah, so you're, oh yeah. No speed. Where's speed at Keith Mitchell and them are above speeds at

Cole Ingle: 1:34:32

4,100.

Stoy Hall: 1:34:35

Um, not for me. 45. Yep.

Cole Ingle: 1:34:38

So, I mean, decent value there on a guy that plays him Florida a lot. That's a really good golfer. Um, outright winner and go with the Rory. Yep.

Stoy Hall: 1:34:57

We're we're mirroring. I that was mine. You know what, I'll move him to outright or to Oneand. Done one and done. Yeah. You're ready

Cole Ingle: 1:35:05

to

Stoy Hall: 1:35:05

use him? No, I don't want to go back to Right. I ask him, but I just didn't want to be with you. But I have to at that one. I mean, I'm not going with him in Oneand Done this week, so I love me some Rory outright. I really do. I, I, I think it's too early for a one and done. Yeah. But Rory wants this tournament. Yeah. Like beyond his ability in playing in Florida. He wants to win for Arne. That says something to me. Yeah. That's great. Now the one and done there is there's a lot of value. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:35:37

I've got three, uh, in my mind that I'm looking at this week. Um, do you Yeah, I, I, I I know who I'm going to pick. Hmm. Um, I, do you want to go first in this one since I No, go ahead. You know, um, I'm gonna go with, with XO tos. Okay. Um, and I will wait to make further comments. He is plus 2200 on your side? Yeah, that's correct. Okay. Uh, I'll wait to make further comments on my other two I was considering, uh, until you pick, just so that I don't

Stoy Hall: 1:36:15

That's fair. Pull a story. That's fair. Uh, faith, it worked out well. Right. Um, I want to go with Homa. Okay. Just so we can have some fun with it. Um, I, I wouldn't wanna put Homa my wanted done here. That's the problem. Yep. Um, and I really I, I, I love some jt I love some value here. Um, playing in Florida, but I'm gonna ride with Mar Kaba, actually. Oh, all right. I, a little early for him, but I, I just, he wins early. I don't trust him much more later in the majors with the star power that's playing well. Okay. And so I will take Mark Hawa plus 2000.

Cole Ingle: 1:36:59

I'll give you a plus 2100 even if you want. Get it. What were your other? So, uh, my other two that I was looking at, um, this is a huge tournament for Jason Day as well. Agreed. Um, mm-hmm. And so he's been playing well, and this is one, like, I don't think, the reason I'm not going with him is I don't think that he's quite there yet in his value in my mind at he's plus 3,100 on my end. I don't know what you're saying. Three. Um, like you had to prove it. and at plus 3,100 in this field. In this field. Like if you do great, like then you're, you're there. I can

Stoy Hall: 1:37:39

use him for this week. Right. Or, uh, this year. Sorry. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:37:41

And so we'll see. Yeah. Uh, the other guy I was looking at is, is Cantley. Um, it's just a, it's a traditional tournament. The guy plays. Well, he does, um, a traditional type of tournaments. Uh, but there's a lot, uh, I mean, there's a lot to go around. I think Lin's gonna play well here. Jts gonna play well here. Never gonna count out Xander anywhere. Why was he shuffler Rob? Like, so, like you look at Shuffler and Ramen, like you're just betting against money that you shouldn't bet against with either one of those two. And honestly, Homa, um, you know, we talked about, I'm fading him. Mm-hmm. um, the main reason I'm fading him is completely personal from a standpoint of like, this will be the first time. I say first time this year that he has to be away from family and he's got a young child. Mm-hmm. um, where he'll be flying across the country in a play in Florida. Again, he's playing golf, so like, could be worse, but like, I assume his family probably isn't going with him. Oh. Um, so like there might be some fate there. Yeah. I, that, that's what I've got for like why f a guy at this point in that group.

Stoy Hall: 1:38:53

I, I mean, I, I agree. I, like I said, I wanted to pick home one, but there's just that uncertainty Yeah. Of that, of that swing of moving and females, I mean, it's the same type of thing, but it's only for me it's only like a week. Yeah. It, it's a routine thing. Mm-hmm. they'll be fine. Oh yeah. After, right, right. It's first this, it's a big event.

Cole Ingle: 1:39:12

It's a big one. Arne is arguably the most popular golfer sans Tiger Woods to ever play the game. Um, yes, Jack. and many others are more decorated and, but, but Arne was a player's player. Mm-hmm. Um, and this event always shows that, I mean, like everything around it, they want to play. Players wanna play here, want, like, they're playing for Arnold, you know, Arnold Bomber, um, I'm assuming Ryan, Ryan Palmer will be playing in this tournament, his grandson. Um, but he hasn't played well this year. No. You know, like, uh, you look at him as a dark horse and stuff like that, it's just his game just isn't, hasn't been informed. Not to say that it can't be, but Fowler's game has been, and Fowler was pretty much love some Fowler right now, like Fowler and Day were, were Arne disciples. Yeah. Um, so that's, you know, kind of bringing, don't play that back. Um, but I mean, shit like scheffler repeating, not a surprise rom finding a way to fumble his way around the course and be the best in the world. Not outta, not surprise. Not outta the question. No, not at all. The dude hasn't played his best golf and his has made himself the number one golfer in the world. Like last year, a couple times, Scotty Scheffler like won his way to number one somehow, like by playing the best golf he's ever played in his life, Ram has, Ram has not played the best golf in his life. He's warming

Stoy Hall: 1:40:39

up for the season. I mean, and like,

Cole Ingle: 1:40:42

you know, like figuring things out. That's my question with Rom though, is like, is it going to be a consistent struggle for him all throughout the year? And he's just that good all throughout. And at some point if you continue to do that, you're probably gonna put yourself in a position where that pressure and like just putting yourself in bad situations, fails. Fails because you're playing against the best guys in the world. you know, are, are we just sharpening? I think he's just,

Stoy Hall: 1:41:10

you know what I mean? Like right now you can't, you can't go either way. You can't argue. So you're just gonna be like, Hey, you know what? I think he's sharpening right? It's still early in the

Cole Ingle: 1:41:16

season. He's made himself into world number one and not played his best golf.

Stoy Hall: 1:41:19

No one else has done that. Let's, let's get through the players. Give me a give, you know, gimme a major and, right. So let's see where he plays at.

Cole Ingle: 1:41:24

Uh, that's where we're at. But, uh, quick review there. You've got, uh, Makawa one and done. I've got Zala TAUs. Uh, we both have Rory as an outright winner. Um, Sam Burns and Ricky Fowler as our black stallions, both at plus 5,500 and top 40 year going with Hometown kid Billy hk. And I am going with Gary Woodland and Pledge the Fade, Tony Phenal for you T3 projected and Houma T4 projected. So I really

Stoy Hall: 1:41:59

don't feel good about those.

Cole Ingle: 1:42:00

I mean, you just look at the, I mean, just look at all the, the names. Yeah. Like those are just, that's just a, those

Stoy Hall: 1:42:04

are, those are, those are names, household names of across the board. Yeah. So fun weekend. Be a fun one. It's gonna be a fun one. Obviously gonna be watching this, this be putting in my, uh, living room while I watch this one because it's time to, it's time to warm up. I, I did chip a little around, uh, in the backyard this weekend. All right. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:42:22

One, I only, I gave you a real feel for the

Stoy Hall: 1:42:24

golf course. I only, well, you should see the rough in my backyard right now. Yeah. So it did,

Cole Ingle: 1:42:29

it's not that thick on the course, I can tell you that. Still matted down. Still matted. There was really no rough on the course at all. Nice. Let's play. No, I was more, uh, more likely to find a snow bank than I was Any, anything resembling Rough. Yeah. So tight

Stoy Hall: 1:42:42

lies. Tight Lies. Tight Lies. Tight lies. All right. Arne Arne this week. We will, uh, see you next week. Yes, sir. Well, then it's time.