70 - NFL Playoffs - Conference Championships

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Stoy Hall: 0:24

then it's time. Here we are. Here we are. We're back.

Cole Ingle: 0:34

We are back. I'm in my cowboy sweatshirt as I promised. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 0:39

I even after oh. I can't wait to get to that one. Disappointing. It was it was yeah. Yep. Disappointing. Yeah. And I'm only gonna blame one person, but we will get there. Tonight's drink of choice. Only one.

Cole Ingle: 0:57

Huh? What? You're only blaming one person. Yeah. All right. I can't wait. That's a good tease. I like that. I like

Stoy Hall: 1:03

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Cole Ingle: 2:02

funny. He ever said it had to be good water. It was just the water. Just the water. The water and there's always something in the water in places where

Stoy Hall: 2:10

Yeah, you're not wrong. Things going on. You're not wrong. I can't oh. This moved to two and a half.

Cole Ingle: 2:15

I did not see

Stoy Hall: 2:15

that. Yeah. Unless it moved back.

Cole Ingle: 2:18

No, I didn't, realize I didn't

Stoy Hall: 2:20

move from one and a half unless it moved back.

Cole Ingle: 2:23

It's all right. We need to get back into

Stoy Hall: 2:29

last week to laugh. Get back into laugh. So let's let's discuss last week. I'll, promise you one. I didn't see us tying. Yeah

Cole Ingle: 2:44

we, sure did, but we sure did. And it wasn't cuz we were great

Stoy Hall: 2:47

And, I even was like, fine I'll do our tiebreaker as our, TDS thing still tie, we each got one And so at that point I'm like, yeah, we'll just carry over next week. Like I don't know what else to do. So that's fine. Tried everything possible.

Cole Ingle: 3:01

We had to take one under

Stoy Hall: 3:03

Ultimately could have picked a mini of them. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. We told you we're picking all over so you should fade us. Yeah. And if you didn't, that's on you. That's on you. We dunno what to tell you there. First game, Jack's chiefs.

Cole Ingle: 3:21

Yeah. That game went, gotta to take one under Whoa. Oh

Stoy Hall: 3:26

wow. Could Right the mini of,

Cole Ingle: 3:27

Hey, you can't do that on your phone

Stoy Hall: 3:29

right now. You're attached the Bluetooth. So if you guys wanna, if you wanna talk to me, I have to use the computer. So Yeah. My phone is off limit.

Cole Ingle: 3:37

It can be, I guess you turn Bluetooth off until he's gonna call in. That's

Stoy Hall: 3:41

true. After five. So true. That's true. But I don't wanna mess with it. It works now. So Yeah, that's fine.

Cole Ingle: 3:45

No, that game it went about as expected. I thought the Jags missed a couple opportunities. Mahomes injury was obviously interesting, but then when Hindi goes 98 yards less interesting. You can't let that happen if you're the Jags. Like ultimately, no, I don't I don't care what you're doing. Like you cannot let a backup quarterback who has played 15, meaning, excuse me, unmeaningful snaps all year come in and go 98 yards against the

Stoy Hall: 4:21

playoff game. That game's fine. We had disc discussed, obviously we were watching it together. For all those that didn't know. Yes. We were both saying they had him at the two. They didn't pressure him at all. No. And even if it was Mahomes, Go after him. Yeah. You gotta, you're on the two. Yeah. You have to make something happen. They didn't right. They played soft. Yeah. Crazy. Gave him room, gave him a nice little easy throw. Under pressure because he is at the goal line and Okay. Cool's in rhythm. Go. Great. Good stopping him. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 4:49

The guy's been in the league too long to make it easy on him when he comes in, but just was a get me that was didn't like to turn that in, like it's one thing if you even get a get out of Right. Fill the shadow of your own in zone, flip the field, like great. You can't let them score a touchdown on that

Stoy Hall: 5:06

drive. No. And they just got bullied. Yeah. That entire drive.

Cole Ingle: 5:11

Entire drive. Ultimately that is what costs the jaguars. You can't have Mahomes go out for basically a quarter and not take advantage of that Really on either side of the ball. No. Nope. And they got a back to our cover

Stoy Hall: 5:29

they, sure did. They sure did. But I Yes. A backdoor cover. However, they were in position to score a couple times. Like it wouldn't have been a back. Oh, absolutely. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 5:40

It wasn't a bad beat backdoor or anything like that, but yeah. They covered late. Yeah, they

Stoy Hall: 5:43

covered late. You have a fumble going basically on the sixth. Yeah. That's, not gonna get the job done. No. Followed by a pick. And then still go down, kick a field goal to cover.

Cole Ingle: 5:55

Ultimately the big thing for the Jags offensively to me was the two guys that fumbled were backup, running backs that, that cost you the game and you didn't have your number one guy in there. It would be like, To me if, Dallas had their second, third string guys in there and it wasn't Pollard that was making mistakes it's the playoffs man. Like you gotta have your best, you gotta have your best dude in there. Yeah. If he's the one that makes mistakes, that's fine, but it looks really bad when you're in key situations and it's your second or third string guy, that's the one that's making the mistakes. And that person really doesn't add anything more than what your one does. And it's not like atn plays too much. Correct. Anything. He doesn't get enough snaps. That was the big, another big thing for me is just this is it, this is for all the Marvels. Like we're not saving him.

Stoy Hall: 6:50

No. There's nothing to save him for. Which we'll get to that on the Niners though. Yeah. Cuz that looks like they were saving that being said Kansas City was in control. Yeah. The whole game. Even with Mahomes going down, like Henny going 98 yards, at that point you're like, oh This one's in control. Yeah. And I was more impressed, and I've heard people say the chief's defense now, that was, it was impressive. They're, good enough to hold them in a game with Mahomes hobbling without Mahomes in general. And I think that's a difference that they ha they haven't had as well as how well the O Line performed. Now, yes, he was, there was times he was running for his life. I get that. But

Cole Ingle: 7:35

yeah, Mahomes is tough to block for though we talked about that too. Correct. He doesn't always stay in a clean pocket. No. There was multiple times, actually multiple times a game that's clean, that he doesn't stay in a clean pocket, and that's what causes him to be put

Stoy Hall: 7:46

in harm's way. Yeah. We'll get to Casey obviously later as they moved on, but yeah, overall Jack's season that they have to be happy. Absolutely. There's no way They they went past everyone's expectations. They put themselves on the map. Lawrence turned a corner as a quarterback. Potentially. Yeah. Played very well all year. Defensive solid. They've got good play makers. They're still gonna have a, decent pick. Yeah. They're improving. That's

Cole Ingle: 8:18

good to see. Yeah. They've got they've got coaching quarterback. Yep. In play. And to me those are two your biggest things that you wanna build off of in the nfl. So they're, going in the right direction. We look at teams like the first team that comes to my mind is like, Tennessee from last year fell into a one seed, obviously didn't make the playoffs this year. Coaches, defensive minded quarterback is they don't even know who it's gonna be. And so that team same division is why they come to mind. But that type of mindset in the NFL just isn't a consistent winning mindset. So I think the Jags are on the right track to be able to repeat at least playoff appearances. Now, the AFC is a juggernaut. Correct. Mean we're talking burrow, we're talking Mahomes, we're talking Alan, we're talking a healthy Lamar, Jackson, Rogers

Stoy Hall: 9:11

question. You got hold teaser,

Cole Ingle: 9:14

right? So yeah possibly, But there's just a lot to go through on that side. Even once you make it in. Herbert, another guy that is gonna get a lot of mention social media, darling But a guy with a ton of talent, a ton of upside. The coaching there. Obviously they did some stuff on the offensive coaching side in the off season already. The AFC is going to be stout and is going to be stout for. Years to come with the young quarterback they set up that they have set up. The NFC somehow is like almost completely opposite of that. Yeah. Other than maybe one or two guys. Absolutely. And even those guys would be, people will still argue, whereas the afc, nobody's really arguing. These are the six dudes. Everybody else is come and get it afterwards. Nfcs completely up year to year up for grabs.

Stoy Hall: 10:11

They've got, they've had their run. It's yeah. Now flipped and it'll, continue to do but we went Case we goon, unlocked on KC Jags over, yeah. Debatably. The over should have hit, but you know what abs you fumble here and there. It happens. But we did get KC and Jacks, so we move on this next game. I promise you will not we won't have to speak very long about it.

Cole Ingle: 10:35

No. Eagles Giants, the Eagles look like a team. One on a mission, but two Jaylen Hertz was healthy. Didn't have to overexert himself to be dominant which I think was big. As far as coming off that injury, things were easy for the Eagles got up big early and pretty much coasted in and that's how you want it. And the playoff game and the Giants looked young, inexperienced Daniel Jones played as bad as he has in the last five to seven weeks. But you're gonna expect that every once in a while. He's an inconsistent quarterback. He's been solid, but he's inconsistent. And if Barclay doesn't get enough touches, they're not gonna stay in games. Unfortunately they got behind the eight ball too much early on and really couldn't do anything to get him the ball enough for them to stay in the game.

Stoy Hall: 11:27

I was looking to see how many touches yet. He had 12 touches. Yeah. I think they could have got him going earlier.

Cole Ingle: 11:32

Yeah. But that's a thing, like if a guy like that doesn't have 25 touches in a playoff game, you're not utilizing your best players correctly. I'll probably harp on that a lot in all of these games, but it's just a thing that I feel like the NFL now going to you've got 1, 2, 3 running backs it's man, I get you can be multiple in your formations and stuff like that, but your best dude's gotta be on the field 95% of the time. It's playoffs. Yeah. These dudes can play 50, 60, 70 snaps, figure it out. Yeah. Just drives me crazy when you're not just riding your dude. I get it. In the regular season, certain games and certain areas are gonna dictate how much workflow you give to a guy. But come play off time. It's time to ride. Ride the horses, man. Time to ride

Stoy Hall: 12:28

em. Yep. And the Giants did not, could not. No. And so that Eagles ultimately, I don't think it would've mattered, but No. Eagles. Eagles move on. They move on, then we get to the snowy Bengals bills. Man, it was just a beautiful looking setup. It was just beautiful overall. Yeah. The, how you called it obviously, but Bengals were just in control. Yeah. The whole way the Bills looked like they didn't know how to play on snow. To me from a footing standpoint the, Bengals were aggressive in, in, in terms of their cuts and everything. Like it was norm, relatively normal. But the bills looked like they were somewhat running on ice and it didn't

Cole Ingle: 13:12

make sense. Like they were waiting to I didn't really see any slipping, but they were waiting to slip.

Stoy Hall: 13:16

Yeah, exactly. The thing they were playing for the slip as opposed to just playing, If you slip. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, And that's what it looked like early on and.

Cole Ingle: 13:26

From a game. Ultimately the bills couldn't get a pass rush. None. Overall the Bengals were able to get a pass rush bills never got any type of running game going, which for the most part, that's Josh Allen only. That never really got going. Josh Allen looked pedestrian at best. During multiple parts of that game. As far as inaccuracy on throws they had a drop. The bills had three big plays that Alan Overthrew Diggs early would've been a touchdown. I believe Davis had a drop on the sideline on a deep pass. And then there was one other one I can't directly recall, but basically another big player that would've been a, scoring position type of play. And you can't afford to do that in the playoffs. No. It's the same thing that happened to the Jags against the Chiefs. You just can't make those types of mistakes. We'll talk about it, but same thing happened in the Cowboys game. Cowboys 49ers game on both sides. Yeah. One team took advantage, the other team

Stoy Hall: 14:26

didn't. I, I was disappointed in the bills. They just and, they just didn't look like they were competing. It just did not look like what I wanted to see out of the bills. Yeah. At all. I, thought the Bengal might be a little bit behind the eight ball. They're hot ride. The hot team, like you said. Yeah. They look good across the board, but the bills just, it was like, meh. It was just,

Cole Ingle: 14:53

yeah. The Bengals they just they handled

Stoy Hall: 14:56

em from kickoff, like there was watching it. I was not concerned about the game, like the Beals were gonna win like that. Was it like the pings are winning how it comes at the end, who knows. Yeah. But they were in control and. Really never turned for him.

Cole Ingle: 15:11

No. Yeah. It was say another disappointing end to a Josh Allen season who was for a guy that's obviously the bills were, favored overall to start the year from a Super Bowl odd standpoint. Defensive injuries really killed him. Yes. Early on both safeties and Bond best pass rusher are hurt so hard to overcome that especially when you have an offense that can't find a consistent running game. To be able to keep those guys off the field or put them in better positions to be able to attack with the weaknesses that they, they had on that side of the ball. So just too much to overcome. And the Bengals, again, are the hottest steam in football right next to the 49ers.

Stoy Hall: 15:57

Absolutely. My miss here was I picked Bill's money line, otherwise the rest of'em we had, again, we took all the overs. Clearly those did not hit. Yeah. Okay. All right. Cowboys Niners, huh? Oh,

Cole Ingle: 16:13

huh. 19 to 12

Stoy Hall: 16:17

Ew. Hey, comes out to 31. It's great number, by the way. Yeah, that was counting at home.

Cole Ingle: 16:22

But so obviously the under hit there. Ew. Pollard got hurt. That killed us. Zeke can't do it, and we really refused to put Davis in until it really didn't matter. We didn't put him in positions to use his skillset either. And we'll get to the last play of the game, but, oh my goodness. I

Stoy Hall: 16:48

have a different thought than most on that, by the way. Sorry. Can't wait.

Cole Ingle: 16:52

Like I don't, yeah, we'll get to that. Really defensive. It was a great defensive game. Defensive domination on both sides. Sure was thought the cowboys responded. Really all game until they got worn down a little bit. And the 49ers were able to run the ball against them late third quarter, fourth quarter into huge plays. You had the Kittle play off the hand, off the helmet down the middle on third and long. And then you had later in that drive Purdy made one of the worst throws he's made since he became a starter in the NFL and hit digs right in the chest inside the red zone. And we dropped the ball and it's nine to nine at that point. They go on three plays later to score a touchdown. At that point we go down and get a field goal right after that 1612. But ultimately, like that's just the defense needed that pick from a standpoint of that's when they started to get bullied a little bit. and that would've been just a huge shift to get the defense off the field and then also to give your offensive chance to go lead in the game. Yeah. Late, and put a different type of pressure on Purdy after he just made a terrible throw, because after that the throws that he made were great. It was like all of a sudden that throw was gone and like he needed to make that throw. It's like it took that long in the game for everything to get out. And I was just like, oh shit. Yeah, shit. He was fine. I think he was fine. Yeah. Which again, that was very late in the game, but ultimately Purdy didn't play great. No Dak played worse. Dak threw two no pressure in the pocket interceptions and had a third one that probably should have been a pick six. Oh. So he was back. He he was terrible. I, he made a, few good plays here and there to, keep us as he should in the game. But again You're, paid to do more than that. You're paid to score more than 12 points with that offense, that offensive line. Now I get it. Pollard's out, but,

Stoy Hall: 19:23

and one was a short field on a muff punt.

Cole Ingle: 19:25

Yeah. Just, bad mis throws. There was a couple of, there was one of the handoff plays where Dak actually made a nice play, not handing it off and getting his running back killed. But we just missed the BLI blitz protection. So whether that's on DTA Audible, away from that, I didn't see exactly what happened. But basically just let a free rusher come in and almost took the hand off from him off the edge. You gotta be able to see that if that's where you're running the ball. You're the quarterback.

Stoy Hall: 19:52

So I'm in. Cd. Liam had a

Cole Ingle: 19:56

great game. He did.

Stoy Hall: 19:58

I, Pollard was getting going. I sucked that he got hurt. Yeah. They started him, which yeah, took his entire career to do. And it, the off that your offense is totally different with Pollard and Zeke. Yeah. There are two different offenses. You cannot do the same thing. And there is not as much scare with Zeke in there. You're gonna get your downhill runs, maybe an outside run, but you're not worried about it. And you're not, you can't, you're not getting all those screens and all those things. You'll get a couple, but not, but even if you do,

Cole Ingle: 20:31

he's getting 10 yards on the screen.

Stoy Hall: 20:34

That's not a Tasha or

Cole Ingle: 20:35

50 40. That's why Davis needed to be in he's a GameBreaker like Paul. It is. He's not as polished overall, but ultimately, like you gotta put a guy in there who can put, scare a defense a little bit. And Zeke just. Yeah. Most of the time he falls forward and he had a couple like really tough runs where got first downs getting a first down great, that's who he is. Short yardage, that's fine. But in the middle of the field it's it's not this bad, but it's like old Jerome Meis, yeah. Five carries one yard, three touchdowns. Yeah. That's a, it's paid. That's a real stat

Stoy Hall: 21:11

line. I know. And I love everything about

Cole Ingle: 21:14

it. But that's Zeke's a little bit better than that, but no, not much. Just as far as what he's bringing to attack a defense unfortunately it's just not there. So disappointing end. Again, I picked the 49ers to win. I thought they were going to be the better overall team. Better overall defense. Pleasantly surprised in how well our defense played. Yes. Absolutely was super disappointed in losing that game because I felt like for three and a half quarters we outplayed'em. But when you only score 12 points, you're not gonna win the game. The thing is, 20 points wins that game and 20 points should not be too much to ask for that offense,

Stoy Hall: 21:56

to be fair. Either of those offenses, but yes. Yep. Great.

Cole Ingle: 21:59

But game, they're starting a rookie quarterback in his second playoff game, which

Stoy Hall: 22:04

this play calling this week. For the Niners specifically. Was just weird to start. Yeah. It was a, it was just awkward. I don't understand.

Cole Ingle: 22:15

Yeah. I don't I mean I know Dallas, like they having Parsons being able to line up in a lot of different places, I think that throws some teams off. Yeah, absolutely. And that guy's just a human wrecking ball. But, so I don't know if that's what it was. Little playoff nerves for Shanahan it was, or what it was. We talked a little bit, McCaffrey didn't play that many snaps and they didn't really utilize him. Uhuh that much of the running game,

Stoy Hall: 22:45

apparently they showed him on the sideline, stretching a calf, heating it up. But he was held to a second half, mainly third down back and when they were going to huddle like it was. And once they started running the ball, then obviously clearly that's where we were talking about like you didn't need him, right? Almost any, anybody back could have got yards at that

Cole Ingle: 23:08

point. And they were just trying to run

Stoy Hall: 23:10

clock really fast and they're just running clock. So why put him out there and risk anything when he was already banged up? Maybe. Yeah. But their defense looks really good, like real good. I thought overall, from a defense perspective, it was solid. I thought play calling on both sides offensively was weird for first two, three drives. It wasn't what their, what I would've thought they would've done. Which is probably part of it. But honestly, the. Dak lost that game. He, lost that game. Not like the picks. Yes. But just inconsistent. Yeah. It was just was not a good game. He plays not even prior week. Just Yeah. A normal ass game. Yeah. You guys win that

Cole Ingle: 23:58

game? Just don't turn the ball over you in the game. Just, yeah. And the two they had a muff punt was their one turnover. And then we obviously dropped the interception, which they dropped an interception as well. But the two interceptions we threw were those, were, they were not defensive. The caused No. The first one was staring down a receiver, the other one was just a bad read yeah, it can't happen. Can't at can't happen at that level. At in the can't happen juncture. So disappointing in another, disappointing into a cowboy season.

Stoy Hall: 24:32

Yep. What's new? But I went Niners niners over. You went Niners Cowboys over again. We've talked about the whole over thing, which means we ended up with the tie. So I thought, hey, great idea. We both picked a touchdown parlay. We did. Let's let, why don't we use that as a tiebreaker? I got Kelsey. Barclay didn't ever get the ball. Knox was nowhere near scoring and Paul got hurt. You at McKennon? Yep. But didn't really sniff the in zone either. Nope. Hurt, scored. Hey. Yeah. And then Davis did not cuz the bills were not playing well. Kittle though I had to double check. I really thought Kittle scored. Yeah. Just cuz of like his, how he was playing. He did not. He did not. And so we tied again. So we're gonna roll over our shitty shots next week, ladies and gents. Until next week. Until next week. And by next week, we mean conference championship time. Yeah. Which we'll probably go lock on. So overall standings though updated total between college and nfl. I've got 243 wins for 56%, 56.38%. Win percentage coal was 2 26 for overall 52 44. Really? He dominates in college. I dominate in nfl ipso facto. Here we go. Ryan still owes six shitty shots. That's it. I have no idea. I lost count exactly. But shitty shot counter Cole took the lead at 16. Yeah

Cole Ingle: 25:58

Ryan's not moving anymore,

Stoy Hall: 26:00

yeah. Yeah. I know. And technically I'm tied with, he's not here

Cole Ingle: 26:02

to, he's not here to bail me out.

Stoy Hall: 26:04

No, not at all. So yeah, here we go.

Cole Ingle: 26:08

I was just looking at our so we made our NFL preseason playoff

Stoy Hall: 26:13

picks. If you go down, we I think the final four is in there too. for the nfl. Yeah. There it's, oh, hey, we each got it. Steve and I have a team left. Oh, woo. Ew. That's gross. Any home? Yeah. Not too bad. We goon, unlocked on the ones in and let's see how many we missed Indie. Not close. Yeah. Ravens close, but not good bills. Casey Vegas. Yikes. And then Sensi, it was a bit four there. Rams, Tampa Green Bay, and we had one there and out. We locked on New England Pit and Tennessee Hao. Nailed. Nail them. Nail them. But wow. Yeah. Wow. How wrong was my N F NFL playoffs out having the nine?

Cole Ingle: 27:14

We, Steve was the only one that had'em in

Stoy Hall: 27:18

That's how bad it was. To be fair, if Purdy doesn't step in, I don't think they're going to the playoffs. Oh.

Cole Ingle: 27:24

I probably don't

Stoy Hall: 27:25

disagree, but but it happened and here we are. Here we sit. So here we sit.

Cole Ingle: 27:33

Yeah, that's yikes.

Stoy Hall: 27:37

It's not good. Oh all

Cole Ingle: 27:48

let's see. How do you wanna get on the old Twitter machine? I

Stoy Hall: 27:52

got it. Okay, I got it. No worries. No worries. When's our potential guest. About

Cole Ingle: 27:59

10 or 15 minutes maybe.

Stoy Hall: 28:00

All right. All right. All right. Let's go ahead and pull up the twit tar machine. We don't have a lot this week. No, not as much content. We are lesser games that's what I mean. I don't know. No, not never more than I anticipated. Here we are. All right. First one bucks fired. Ryan Leftwich. This was interesting. Yeah, I'm not, I, and you had mentioned it like there's gotta be something behind the scenes with Brady or something because w why? No, it was not how historically good season, but it wasn't all on him. Brady played terrible all

Cole Ingle: 29:17

the year. I thought the whole thing and line was that him and Brady had a good relationship

Stoy Hall: 29:22

so something happened cuz he is gone. Oh, I get it. And I think there's gonna be a lot of teams really excited to have him. I don't disagree. There was zero line and you have the goat who played average. Yeah. At best. Not very goat ish. The only reason he had good numbers is because a couple fourth quarters he decided to go off. I'm not, so I'm not sure why that, that, that occurred. Oh, how far did I go? Oh, can I? Yeah, I'm playing this. I think this is the But I think's button. I think it's button. Hey,

Cole Ingle: 30:07

is Cole Beasley still there? We'd like him to drop if he has a quick eight. 16 Cole right here. Drop a beat. Cole, what's happening? Hey, I don't wanna put you on a spot too much here. You retired. Were you just I'm done with this shit and then Buffalo called and you know what? Maybe I'll jump back into the game. What happened there?

Stoy Hall: 30:24

Yeah. Tampa

Cole Ingle: 30:25

had me doing 45 plays in one practice. I couldn't hold up

Stoy Hall: 30:32

Just great stuff. Just great stuff. For those who couldn't here or if you could or not here col Z was on the McAfee show and they were basically asking like, Hey, I. You retired and now all of a sudden you're at the bills. What's going on? Yeah. And Beasley responds, Tampa Bay had me doing 45 plays in one practice and I couldn't hold up. Yeah. Which is funny, but also that's a lot of damn plays. For an old dude. But good.

Cole Ingle: 31:02

That was funny. I was surprised as Brady did 45 plays in a practice.

Stoy Hall: 31:06

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. This is one that snuck by us both. Yeah. And apparently a lot of people, by the way Vikings fired there in DC Yeah. I did not even see

Cole Ingle: 31:21

it. No, but necessary,

Stoy Hall: 31:24

not shocked. Come on. They were frauds all year. Yeah. It was definitely about to happen. All right. Oh, this is just go into your point. Yeah. Yep. Has was wide open and dropped it end of half cost the jacks three points, which is a back, the backup, the number two. Yep. Agnew fumbled game way inside the five. Yeah. Maybe play the back. You wasted a first round pick on. And I wouldn't say wasted. I said that. You, you if you're not gonna play him. Oh, that's true. If you're not gonna play him, that's try it. Etn should have been in that ball game. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah. Always gotta,

Cole Ingle: 32:12

I wanted to get your take on this from a defensive

Stoy Hall: 32:14

perspective. Always gonna have a good one. Wanted to

Cole Ingle: 32:18

bring this always drop to the legs, as a defender, cuz that's what you're trying to get down on the ground, right? Yeah. Or is this a natural motion here?

Stoy Hall: 32:25

Yeah, pull him down. I actually did the same exact thing to a receiv. I believe it was, he also broke his leg. I don't know. Okay. He didn't return to the game. Yeah. Was it Mars? It might have been Mars. Anyway, we were playing at home and they were running crossers all day long. And I, don't know who was starting that game, but they just were not making, they were not picking that up and making that tackle. Coach threw me in, so I was like, fine, let's do this first play he comes across and I'm running him down and it's, if you would think Mahomes would be running this way. I grabbed him and I go I'm going straight down. Because we don't want them to get another yard. And by doing so, you collapsed on their leg and their ankle does that. Same thing with Pollard. It was the same. Yep. Very same thing. Oh, yeah. Slow down. It looks like he just sat on his legs. But his job is to get him to the ground. And that's

Cole Ingle: 33:16

the best way to do it, is just from a force perspective.

Stoy Hall: 33:19

Because otherwise he is gonna hang onto him. Oh what are you supposed to do?

Cole Ingle: 33:23

No I, was just

Stoy Hall: 33:24

curious. And in this case, he launched. and then so yeah. What you gonna catch yourself? No. You're gonna pull the quarterback down. Yeah. Which, if you wanna argue about his helmet hitting his other, his side of his helmet. Oh no, sure. Talk about that. Don't talk about the fact that the way he fell in his leg. That's just, that's not nothing to me. Yeah. Sucks.

Cole Ingle: 33:44

I think the tweet was more about sucks him dive bombing the

Stoy Hall: 33:49

leg, which the immediate drop down to the leg. Not even trying to wrap and tackle, first of all. Yeah. I just didn't think that was a thing. So first of all, he wrapped and pulling him down as a tackle. Yeah. No, that's nothing to me. Oh man. I really hope the volume works for everyone out here on this one. Yeah. This is a good, this is a good, so let's, hope it works. Hey,

Andrew Utterback: 34:12

right back by where he got

Cole Ingle: 34:14

hit. Everybody shut up. There's a flags. Hey. Back by where he got hit everybody. Shut up this game, Frank. Back by where he got hit everybody. Shut up. Shut up everybody. Shut up. Good. Let me get this call. Let me talk to my guys. Everybody looks Shut up. Hot mic.

Stoy Hall: 34:32

I was really hoping it would've been hotter. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody shut up. Speaking of helmet to helmet I'd like your take on this as a quarterback. Yep. Let me know because

Cole Ingle: 34:44

we've got two plays. So we've got this play and then we've got another one. And I'm gonna tell you why I think both calls were correct. Okay. This call I think is a correct no call. Defender comes in, head up and finishes with arms out. The only contact his helmet makes with the quarterback is face mask. And there's no targeting, there's no launching, there's no spearing. You can't call that. Nope. And it wasn't called, and I think it was the correct call. I think that because the only thing that made them touch face masks is the fact that he is five foot 10 or six one, whatever, and Lawrence is six five. Yeah. If they're both six five, they might not even hit helmets. And Lawrence turns his head a little bit, but doesn't lead with the head leads with the arms. Contact with the hands first pushes away. Doesn't this is,

Stoy Hall: 35:39

this to me is where we're, getting a little too sensitive with helmets hitting. Yeah. We have helmets for a reason. One. Two, they're gonna hit, they're gonna hit.

Cole Ingle: 35:47

Yeah. It's, we wouldn't be wearing'em if they weren't gonna hit. Correct.

Stoy Hall: 35:50

Exactly. No, I'm a hundred percent okay with this.

Cole Ingle: 35:53

Yep. Yeah, that non-factor for me was a non-factor there. Do we have the other one? I don't remember if I put that one in there. You know which one I'm talking about? No. Yeah, no. The one where he came in, like you couldn't really see if he actually hit him, but he came in with his head down and hockey league threw the flag right away. Have that one. Oh dang. I thought I put that one in there. My bad.

Stoy Hall: 36:16

Are you sure I didn't put it in there? Pretty sure we got this one. That one. And then it's over cuz she's there. Yeah. What's that one right there?

Cole Ingle: 36:27

This one? No, the one below that. No, keep going down. That one. What's that one? This is this one. Oh, that's Brady.

Stoy Hall: 36:36

Yeah, this is the damn it.

Cole Ingle: 36:39

Okay. So the other one I'm gonna touch base on real quick just cuz it was a comparative one. Was it in the same game? Was that the one, was that on my homes? Yeah. Yeah, I think it was. I think it was. Cause I'm pretty sure it's hockey through the flag. Yep. So Jaguar's Defender comes. and almost identically to what we just watched and talked about except for this defender literally has his head straight down and it is hard to see. It doesn't look like there's much contact. But literally he's leading with his helmet. His arms aren't out and he's going towards Mahomes head and hockey. Lee does not have the angle cuz he's standing back behind him and he reaches and throws almost instantaneously as Mahomes gets rid of the ball. Was probably some helmet to helmet. Was it hard enough to, more to flag? Probably not, but the whole thing was perception. It's like you cannot run towards the quarterback with your head down and if that's what you're leading with and your head's not up and your arms aren't up, like you're going to get flagged. And that was more of, again, I don't think he like. He didn't spear him and take him to the ground or anything like that? No. But as soon as he put his helmet down, he was screwed. It was ultimately what he came down to. Don't put your head

Stoy Hall: 38:02

down. Put your head down. Now he, I think he, his helmet, like when his angle actually hit him in the shoulder, like glanced his like cheek, but like the helmet hit here. But again, Hockley couldn't see it from that angle. And No, don't tip your head. Yeah, just don't do it.

Cole Ingle: 38:16

So use Face Man's big difference between those two plays. Both in the same game. So

Stoy Hall: 38:20

Absolutely. We have a couple I think, let me see. Oh, we got one more football and then we'll go to two Golf cuz guess what? Guess what? It's golf season. It is, it's off season. And you know what we're gonna do during the bye week between the Super Bowl, we're gonna talk about golf. that's all we got. Yeah. Maybe a little college basketball. A little teaser going into March Madness. Little March Madness teaser. Oh, March Madness teaser.

Cole Ingle: 38:48

We're about three minutes away from our first guest of

Stoy Hall: 38:51

the new Year. Ooh. of of the new year. Yeah. Of the season. Who'd we, do we have any guests this year? I guess Steve counts as one,

Cole Ingle: 38:59

right? He, didn't stay along enough to not be guests.

Stoy Hall: 39:01

Yeah. That's fair. Little tweet here, update. The Packers will not be trading Aaron Rogers with the, within the NFC Conference, they will explore the idea of training the quarterback exclusively to the AFC thoughts.

Cole Ingle: 39:22

I think ultimately Rogers is either needs to retire or get outta Green Bay another year with Green Bay isn't

Stoy Hall: 39:30

not good for anything,

Cole Ingle: 39:31

anybody. No. And it's, really disappointing because he's one of the, yeah. He's a guy that's been on a team for a long time. It's come when Brady left the Patriots, that type of thing, but, You like to see guys on one team for a whole career, and unfortunately these days it very rarely works out that way. But if he's going to stay in the league and be relevant and not cause a distraction, he gotta go. He needs to be, he's gotta go in the AFC or retired. Yeah. Whichever he chooses. I, agree. He can still play at a high level, in my opinion,

Stoy Hall: 40:05

Packers fans that I know a agree to and this isn't, at this point, does not feel like when I think Packers, I think Aaron Rogers, right? I don't have that. Oh it'll be weird seeing him in a different jersey. It doesn't. No, I don't have

Cole Ingle: 40:17

that. It feels like he almost like he's already been in a different jersey. Correct. Even though he

Stoy Hall: 40:21

Hasn't, been. Yeah. No, I agree. All right. A little Goldy. A little Golf. Golf, okay. Man. I don't know what Rom's gonna do. I think he, I think overall he just needs to be better at golf. Because he's lost two, the class six tournaments he's played in. if he really wants to be number one in the role, he can't keep losing those. Yeah. At those. So this tweet goes there's a couple layers to it. One rom has one three in a row, I believe. Two in a row on the two or, but three total in a row. Yeah. Tournaments. And his ranking like did not improve from winning this week. But someone else could have went to number one. Yeah. If they would've won, Rob could not have. Mathematically, and we'll get into all that as we get into rankings. But I just thought it was a great little tweet of, man he can't keep losing these tournaments I the freight. He can't he's two of six. Can't,

Cole Ingle: 41:22

we can't afford these

Stoy Hall: 41:23

top fives either. No, can't do that. It's not good for not, good for the program. There was a tweet, it

Cole Ingle: 41:29

really hurting

Stoy Hall: 41:29

the brand with the brand. There was another tweet I didn't showed in here. It's just another out outlandish Tigger one. Because it has rom winning three in a row and there's only been 18 times that someone's won. Three in a row. Yeah. 14 of those are Tigers. Tigers, that's just the, statistics on that is ridiculous.

Cole Ingle: 41:53

Yeah. I mean if you want to go down a rabbit hole of, go ahead. Just unbelievable statistics. And then specifically in golf, like any sport, but golf, it's on other ridiculous weeks at number one. Name it. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 42:09

That type of stuff. Just name it. All right. This one's fun. This is happening this week and I'll be paying a little attention, mainly cuz of the tweet, but also cuz there's only two football games. Better on Sunday. Yeah. According to reports in Dubai, Patrick Reig threw a golf tee at Rory after the world. Number one ignored him on the rain. Yeah

Cole Ingle: 42:29

Was it, oh, there he is. Oh.

Stoy Hall: 42:35

Hello. Hello. How's it going,

Cole Ingle: 42:38

gentlemen? Is this the pride of Sigourney

Andrew Utterback: 42:42

Oh, I don't know where you got that information. It might be though.

Stoy Hall: 42:45

That's what we were given, that's what we were given today. I don't know what to tell you.

Cole Ingle: 42:48

We we have the pleasure of our first guest of the year Mr. Andrew Utterback as I said, the pride of Sigourney. Andrew is actually a coworker of mine started a new job here beginning of the year with Vizi Pay, and Andrew's a coworker and an avid sports. Better, probably even more avid than both of us. He's a what would you call yourself in the betting world, Andrew? Are you a degenerate?

Andrew Utterback: 43:21

I'm borderline. Okay. I think I'm we're getting close to

Cole Ingle: 43:24

that, designation. Yeah. That's, fair. Andrew, give us a little bit about yourself and then we're just getting ready to get into some picks here for this weekend and we'll, chat about some other things too.

Andrew Utterback: 43:37

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me on. Said, I grew up in a town Iowa had the opportunity to baseball in the minors and independent ball up and have been in the the sales world here in Des Moines.

Cole Ingle: 44:00

Since then what position did you play? I was an outfielder

Andrew Utterback: 44:05

all the way through college. And then when I went to the next level, I was with the relief pitcher. I could throw hard and the hitting was suspects. I think that's

Stoy Hall: 44:15

why the was made happens. It happens. So for our listeners out there, obviously they know we're in Iowa. Where the hell is Sigourney, Iowa? Get I don't even know. And I'm from Nebraska and lived in Iowa way too long, but where the hell is it?

Andrew Utterback: 44:31

Yep. So it's southeast. So if you go outta Pleasant Hill on 63 through, go to OSA 92 AHS hour, and

Cole Ingle: 44:43

right there, right next to Kta

Stoy Hall: 44:45

bang a ring. That's

Cole Ingle: 44:47

right. So I'm doing a little just a quick Google search. Was your college mascot really the butch? No, we were the bulldog. Oh, so they've changed it since you were there? is it the Butch now? That'd be Alabama.

Stoy Hall: 45:05

Amon University Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs. Oh, Butch is the name. Butch is the name. Butch

Cole Ingle: 45:09

is the name of the mascot. I'm like, what in the hell is going on? Be way cooler. If it was

Andrew Utterback: 45:18

That'd be an interesting,

Cole Ingle: 45:20

yeah. The whiskey's

Stoy Hall: 45:21

hitting harder than tonight. The usual. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently it's that cold you have. So you both work at Vizi Pay, that's where you met. I'm only gonna say Vizi. Pay two more times. That's fine. Until the invoice comes. Yeah. So perfect. But so you went directly from independent Ball to sales, huh?

Andrew Utterback: 45:42

Correct. Yep. Yep. I made my way around Des Moines a little bit. This is my third job here with a different company in Des Moines, but all in the sales field. So yeah, that's keep competitiveness Sports guys both. Kinda in that world as well. And obviously coming from sports I think that's just kinda in our DNA at that point.

Stoy Hall: 46:04

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Cole Ingle: 46:05

And, all of those jobs you've worked with Jesse as well, correct? That is

Andrew Utterback: 46:10

correct. Yep. Yep. Just keep following'em around. May, maybe one will stick here

Stoy Hall: 46:15

Follow following. Not a leader, huh? I see

Andrew Utterback: 46:18

Yeah. Married Kades. Oh, I'll say I'll say you're a much better dresser. This is the second time I've watched. Cole, you gotta pick up this

Cole Ingle: 46:27

game. Hey, it's work environment Dr. That drives my dress,

Stoy Hall: 46:34

Oh, I wouldn't sometimes you also, you should see the guy on Mondays and Fridays. Yeah. Yeah. I dress down a little bit sometimes. Sweatpants

Cole Ingle: 46:42

on Fridays. I'm telling you. There you go.

Stoy Hall: 46:45

Hey,

Cole Ingle: 46:46

no one knows that. No one there's, reasons we don't do shows on Fridays, yeah,

Stoy Hall: 46:52

all right. So talk to us get, us a background of your favorite sports teams.

Andrew Utterback: 46:58

Yeah, so I I'm a big proponent of whatever my dad was a fan of, is what I'm a fan of. So I'm a die diehard new England Patriots fan, get a lot back. And then also a diehard Cubs fan. Not much in the nba here and there. And then for college go Hawks. Cause it's gonna make me physically ill

Stoy Hall: 47:22

to all of those toes. Yeah. Not great

Andrew Utterback: 47:27

I got two dogs at home. They're named Rizzo and Sosa,

Stoy Hall: 47:29

so I get behind Sosa, I can behind Sosa. Wow. Okay. Hell, oh, we know his teams. Yep.

Cole Ingle: 47:38

That's gross. I, knew'em

Stoy Hall: 47:40

before, but that's just, disgusting. It's fine. Kids married blood tag. I got married last September.

Cole Ingle: 47:50

Oh, congrat.

Andrew Utterback: 47:51

Yeah. Poor guy. I think I'm negative. I dunno for sure. No kids. The two dogs' pretty busy right now.

Stoy Hall: 48:11

You can't do adulting unless you have children. So right now you're just living life. That's fine. Yeah. Got a little more time then. Yeah. Yeah, you'll be fine. You'll, survive. I'll survive. Do you wanna give us a, quick recap of what you thought the overall games went last week besides Dak Prescott looking like poo?

Andrew Utterback: 48:30

Yeah. I think that showed us true colors. When, the lights are on, that's the deck that we see, right? Yeah, absolutely. But other than that I was kinda on board with all your guys'. I was with you at the game. I were covered. Did not see them coming out, out every aspect of game. I know it's gone around today, but I think Joe Burrow has his place into that second spot for Josh Allen. Josh Allen we're kinda seeing is, a turnover guy when the big lights are on. But I, really like Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow, he's gotta win this weekend. Patrick's conversation though. And then as far as the Chiefs jack game huge turnover. Lawrence is, getting himself into that top five realm as well. Really liked his play. He's, starting to become the guy that's never out the game. He's, you leave him in the game, he's gonna be dangerous down when it matters. And, I think he showed that to us here in the playoffs, especially with that wild round game. And then

Cole Ingle: 49:52

as far

Andrew Utterback: 49:52

as the eagle, thank you for finally putting the giant fans. Oh man. Any, time they get any momentum. You have giant spans outta the woodworks it seems like. So I, really applaud them for putting them to bed. And that kinda show, that wasn't even a, that wasn't even

Stoy Hall: 50:10

a game from start to finish. No, not at all. No, I agree with everything you just said there. So that, that's awesome. Let's get into this week's games. Wait, I have, oh, you

Cole Ingle: 50:22

have, I have Breaking news and we have a baseball guy on. Oh. Scott Roland just got into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Really? Huh. Okay. So it wasn't an overreaction on my part. 70, 76%.

Stoy Hall: 50:40

Wow. Oh, okay. Good

Andrew Utterback: 50:43

career. Not great.

Cole Ingle: 50:45

Good. No he legitimized the third base position for the new era of third basement, I would say. But

Stoy Hall: 51:00

yeah, that's okay, so he's all right. I see that on the ballot, huh? Because it

Cole Ingle: 51:06

Like I was listening this morning that the two guys expected to get in were him and Todd Hilton.

Stoy Hall: 51:14

I, can see Todd.

Cole Ingle: 51:16

I just don't think either one of them are Hall of Famers. They're a hall of really good.

Andrew Utterback: 51:21

Hell, the Lifetime 300 guy.

Stoy Hall: 51:23

I can see that. Yeah, I could too in, in the name obviously on top of that. But also the, Baseball Hall of Fame's funky, isn't it? It's just weird for sure. Obviously the fact that they leave a ton of players off because of alleged things, aside from that argument, isn't it just like a weird way to get in it? It's

Andrew Utterback: 51:44

all about how you interacted with the media. Yeah. Mean it's not mean its stats, but I mean it's who

Cole Ingle: 51:53

Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 51:54

Is, which is not how that should work. Yeah.

Andrew Utterback: 51:58

Kurt, one of the greatest pitchers of time he was to the media and they

Stoy Hall: 52:05

won't put him in. Just makes no sense. What

Cole Ingle: 52:07

are your thoughts quickly on the steroid guys, just in general? Barry

Andrew Utterback: 52:14

Bonds the greatest player to ever put on a uniform in baseball. He, to be the hall fame. Roger Cle had a hall of fame career before he even did steroids. It wasn't illegal then. Everybody was doing it,

Cole Ingle: 52:30

period. He's also never tested positive. Yeah.

Andrew Utterback: 52:34

Yeah. And I mean it's an yes. I mean it's an era of baseball. There's different eras of baseball. That's one of them. You gotta put those guys in. They were the top of that era. Yeah. You gotta throw them.

Stoy Hall: 52:44

Yeah. I don't, not to mention

Cole Ingle: 52:46

let's go to, I hate that. I agree with, I mean that we have the same take, but we, I have exactly the same take as Isa. Let's

Stoy Hall: 52:51

go back to the Barry Bond situation I played a little high school baseball and hitting no matter how jacked you are. Yeah. You had to put the bat, you still have to put the

Cole Ingle: 53:03

bat on the ball and then you had to put the center of the bat on the center of the ball. Correct.

Stoy Hall: 53:06

Yeah. Relatively speaking, I'm not gonna lie, like steroids really don't help your eyes and your whole motor function. Unless they do. Cuz then I missed out on the whole fucking boat and I divorce Your head got bigger,

Cole Ingle: 53:19

your eyes got bigger.

Stoy Hall: 53:20

Geez. Like he still had a sweet That's, my point. Talk about

Andrew Utterback: 53:24

that. It's, he still gotta hit at 95 on our fastball, in my opinion. Doesn't matter how big you're

Cole Ingle: 53:28

correct. Brady Anderson took steroids, but he's not in the hall of fame. Exactly. That's what

Andrew Utterback: 53:33

I'm saying. Like those guys were the top guys during that era. Everybody was doing it. Yeah. Who cares? Put the top guys in. Yep.

Stoy Hall: 53:40

All right, all so we'll revisit baseball cuz when it's just golf. Golf, just, there's baseball coming up at some point. Alright. Starting game. Sunday. Think three 30. I don't know. Don't quote me. Niners at eagles, are favored. Two and a half. Total's 46 and a half. Andrew, what say you

Andrew Utterback: 54:06

I I mean we're all waiting for that Brock game, right? Happen. I just think though he has too many weapons around him, I ultimately think the eagles win the game. I think it comes down to something late that I think the will back field type. I think it's definitely the under but I'm gonna have to take the Eagles and the two and A

Stoy Hall: 54:35

Okay. Okay. Yeah you would think the, Purdy thing would happen, right? Ultimately. But I don't see that happening. My biggest question is what's Shanahan doing? We had talked about it with the recap of the Niners Cowboys. This play calling was all over the play. It was just weird going into last week. And the Eagles front seven specifically, their front four, I should say front eight is way deeper than the Cowboys. And they're gonna rotate them in and just fire it will now their back end is weaker. Quick, stat

Cole Ingle: 55:18

here though. You've got stats. So the Eagles are number one in the league overall past defense. Second in the league in Sax. But Phil fall somewhere in the 16 to 20 range for rushing defense, which is obviously gonna be a strength for the 49ers. Keeping that in consideration Dallas was number six, overall defense. And they were like number six or eight in the past and number 14 or 16 in the run. So just to give you an idea of those comparative defenses, both of those teams obviously like to get after the Yeah, the passer, which I think the 49ers can protect from a little bit because of their

Stoy Hall: 55:57

style offense. Now that, with that stat being said, it's a very great game for the Niners to play the Cowboys before the Eagles right in, in terms of that. Styles are relatively similar. And so I think they'll be prepped for it. But I think it should be a really good game. I think both these games on paper should be really fun and interest.

Cole Ingle: 56:19

Any one, like x factor key player that you see in that game as far as a good be game or a bad game that could cost one of these teams possibly being blown out or on the other side, blowing a team out because they're playing so well.

Andrew Utterback: 56:38

This, is gonna kinda be not a usual kick, but I think Fred Warner has to have the game of his life capable. He's be the guy that's Jalen know everybody. Offense gonna the game come, gonna come down to Warner having the game of his life on Jalen Herz, making him second guess, taking off running maybe he second guesses. Throws, throws a bad ball, bated away, intercepted. I think that's gonna be the type of play that's really gonna change the game on and on the other side it's Jalen mean they their defense, they're very elite, can play in this guy the first time we're seeing him at this level. They, could be really

Cole Ingle: 57:32

good for a while. Yeah. No, no doubt. Fred Warner made I would say arguably the play of the game on a Tampa two coverage where he ran from the line of scrimmage 35 yards down the field covering a at least top 10 receiver in the league in cd, lamb on a middle route that 99% of linebackers in the league can't get to.

Stoy Hall: 57:56

I don't, I need people to realize how difficult that is. No play. It was, yeah. How difficult from the line of scrimmage to get to Tampa? Two. Yeah. One, you have to be fast enough, clearly. But the balls defensively to call it. And defensively as just the defender. Because you can't get caught leaning one way. He had to have timed that run and split perfectly. Now I, still believe Dak could have put the ball where the receiver could have caught it. But he was in position to make Dak go shit. And that's all really it took that play from a linebacker possession one of the greatest that you'll see. Yeah. From a Tampa two

Cole Ingle: 58:34

perspective. And I don't know, is it really an argument? He's the best linebacker in the league right now, isn't he? Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 58:43

I agree. Do the Niners ever have two bad backers? That coming, when was the last time they had two bad backers? Very true. Cuz well, green Li Greenwood, whatever his name his, counterpart Ridley good too. Yeah. Made some plays. I agree. And I, believe he has to have a really good game. I defensively would lock down the Eagles run game. hurts. You have to beat me. Throwing. Yeah. There's no way you're gonna run 200 yards on us. And I believe the Niners, that's what's gonna happen. They're gonna, they're going I don't know if they're gonna shut it down, but they're going to sell out to shut

Cole Ingle: 59:18

it out. Niners have the number one run defense. They give up just under 80 yards a game rushing. They'll give her one 20 probably. So if that's a win I don't know that they will. Because to your point if they give up the 80 yards, that means they've kept her in check. But that also means that they haven't let Sanders get going by wasting a defender on Hertz or anything like that. So if they can keep it that average and that's, like I said that's, season average. That's what the playoff games that's at 80 yards. So there's only three teams in the NFL that were under a hundred yards. And they were well below, so that's gonna be a strength for them. The Eagles can do a little bit of everything. Obviously Hertz wants to run a little bit, but he's not a guy that is a run first or looking to run first, but definitely want if I'm the Niners defense, to your point, I definitely want to make him beat me with his arm, only keeping him in the pocket

Stoy Hall: 1:00:12

and also would attack their their right tackle. Oh, what's his name? He Eagle's Right? Tackle has the torn groin. Oh, okay. I would Oh who's gonna line up over him? All game. Yeah. Also has to Yeah. And has to just torment him. And it hurt him. I, if you watch the game, he was, he's hurt. Yeah. Like it's torn. He says, yes. Surgery after season, I'm putting Boose on him and letting him just go to work. Yeah. If that happens, they shut down the run and Bosa can go to work this game. Where are you falling on this game? This, game happens differently, right? I don't disagree. Ah, this is this one. Th this is this. They're both tough for me. You

Cole Ingle: 1:00:58

wanna start with the total?

Stoy Hall: 1:00:59

Yeah, start with total. Okay, go ahead.

Cole Ingle: 1:01:03

I'm going with the under. Yeah. I 46

Stoy Hall: 1:01:08

and a half. I didn't look at the weather, but these

Cole Ingle: 1:01:10

defenses won't look, I really I just, I don't, think the weather's gonna have an impact. If it's nice, then fine, but if it's not nice, then even more so I'm on the ender.

Stoy Hall: 1:01:19

Yeah. 17, 20, 23, 20 range. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:01:25

You're on the under as well? Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 1:01:26

All right. Have to, oh, great. That, you know what that means. It's going over, it's going Ladies and jets. We all picked you

Cole Ingle: 1:01:32

under Where you at on the game?

Stoy Hall: 1:01:35

God, this one's so tough. This is a tough one. I'm, man I really want the Niners to do it. I just don't. I think Shanahan gets in his way. And so I'm gonna go Philly. Philly. But man this is a close one. I wouldn't be surprised the, I just pulled this one off. I just think Shanahan's gonna do something early and the Eagles will score if they mess up. Yeah. And then they will they're great front runners, so Yeah it'd be tough for Purdy to come back. I, we haven't seen it really. And so I think that's, where I'm going.

Cole Ingle: 1:02:19

And you, so you've got Philly. Philly under Yeah. As well. And the two and a half. So you and Andrew match up. I've got San Francisco covering the two and a half. Just trying to decide whether or not, I just think this is gonna be a very close game. I see it as a 2120

Stoy Hall: 1:02:40

A missed p a t. Yeah. I mean something, those,

Cole Ingle: 1:02:42

something we didn't hit upon that out of the ordinary. Maybe a team goes for two. You both Both have the personnel to be able to do that. Something along those lines. Neither quarterback has, really proven themselves overall. Obviously Herz has a little bit more experience overall, but ultimately neither one of them has been in this position. Herz, I guess you could argue college, but then he got pulled in the national championship game.

Stoy Hall: 1:03:11

I, I do like how though they've played each other and it was a high scoring event. High scoring. I think they'll have comfortability in at least playing each other. They'll

Cole Ingle: 1:03:19

be that. What are you gonna do? I'm gonna San Francisco. Woo. Run Brock the cock.

Stoy Hall: 1:03:24

Woo. Big cock Brock. Wow. Okay. Looks like so far. Looks like we're not gonna we're, not gonna be able to tie on the shitty shots. Yeah, that's good. That's good.

Cole Ingle: 1:03:37

Alright, Andrew lead us into Bengal's.

Stoy Hall: 1:03:45

Wow. He just gave up. Yep. He just he didn't want to he just gave up. But I guess

Cole Ingle: 1:03:51

we'll lead us in the, we'll lead us in and then he'll call back.

Stoy Hall: 1:03:54

Bengals one and a half.

Cole Ingle: 1:03:57

Yeah. Bengals are one and a half.

Stoy Hall: 1:03:59

You just, bailed on that pick. Is that what you're trying to do?

Andrew Utterback: 1:04:04

I got worried and

Cole Ingle: 1:04:06

I apologize. That sounded like one of our sales calls, right? I'm interested. Just kidding.

Andrew Utterback: 1:04:14

No this is obviously the game of the week that I'm, excited for. I was telling Cole earlier, this has got all the feels of a Jordan Flu game, but the Mahomes ankle game and I think slow Mahomes puts us to bed that Burrow is three and oh, against him, doesn't let him get the four and oh. Covers the plus one and a half, obviously outright win. And I'm taking the over in this game. I think it's a shootout. I think it goes back and forth with my home's drama at the end, driving down late game winning

Cole Ingle: 1:04:49

field goal. Is he the best, is he limping for a first down to get to get him in the field goal range type of thing? It's gonna be like the

Andrew Utterback: 1:04:57

Matthew Stafford carrying him, or the Byron left with carrying him across the field. I love it. I love it. Oh Lord.

Cole Ingle: 1:05:04

And then any thoughts on specific players here? Obviously the quarterbacks are gonna be highlighted, but anybody else you're looking at?

Andrew Utterback: 1:05:13

I, think it's, gonna have to be a, secondary guy, whether that be a Juju Smith, Schuster Aari, Tony for the Chiefs, or a Tyler Boyd, Hayden Hurst type for the, I think it's gonna take one of those guys to up. Determine a winner. I, you got the guys like Kelsey, Jay Higgins. I think it's gonna really take an X factor outside of those guys to, get the win

Cole Ingle: 1:05:41

in this game. That's very good stuff. Very good stuff. Yeah. Bengal's Chiefs obviously neither team is overly known for their defense. Both were in the top half of the league in overall defense, but neither one of them at the levels of the, 49ers or the Eagles really Bengal's Pass Rush has been pretty impressive to me specifically in the playoffs. So it looks like they figured some stuff out there. Obviously much better from the beginning of the season when they really struggled. Offensive line. I don't know who's gonna be back. They were out three guys last week and you couldn't tell. But the Chiefs have a better pass rush than the bills right now. And so they'll find a way to put some pressure on Burrow. Thoughts overall on. when you pressure Mahomes, you seem to pay bro, the same way. I

Stoy Hall: 1:06:42

You, pay when you pressure him when he can move, right? Boy, if you don't quit doing that I, don't

Andrew Utterback: 1:06:49

know what happened there. I wasn't even touching

Stoy Hall: 1:06:50

my phone. Oh yeah, sure. Go ahead.

Cole Ingle: 1:06:54

Yeah, I just think that thoughts on pressuring either quarterback and if you think one would be more affected by pressure. Obviously Mahomes is injured, so in my mind I'm thinking get at his feet as much as possible. If I'm the Bengals and now if I'm the Chiefs they've got three guys that can go to the house. If they break a coverage and you're bringing pressure, I think you have to bring some to get burrow uncomfortable. But ultimately you've gotta be able to hold up on the back end against those three really good receivers and probably the best receiving court in the league.

Andrew Utterback: 1:07:31

Y Yeah. I, think they, they used the screen game in the quick game as their running game in this. Yeah. Really sucked up the defense as much as they can and hit a a Tony Val links streaming down the middle of the field to really get over the top. But they did it a lot last game. Kelsey what do you have 14 catches for 90 yards? Yeah. I, think it's gonna be a lot of din and dunk and that's gonna be their running game. Yeah. Could be a big McKinnon game out of the backfield, but I, could see a lot of short four, five yard passes and let those play makers just do their thing,

Cole Ingle: 1:08:08

just get the ball on the hands. And the Chiefs have been more of that style of offense this year than the big shot offense that, we've seen in the past, and they've been more efficient running the football. Pachecos been a huge ad for them. I think they need to get him touches early and often. He's a hard runner. Had a little bit of fumbling issues middle of the year, but has seemingly righted that ship. I was really impressed last week with how well the Bengals were in the football and just hit Buffalo in the mouth a little bit. And I'm interested to see if they don't try to do that. Because anytime you can do that against any team in the nfl you're setting a hold of her tone. And if you can run the football seven, eight yards at a time, you can do whatever the hell you want in your offense in the nfl because they have to start respecting the run. And then that's just I felt like they set the tone in that Bills game early on with that, and the bills really had no chance because of it. So those are the big things that I'm interested in is which team has more success running the football. I think the Chiefs specifically need, to get the running game going just to help ma Mahomes out just because he's not gonna be able to scramble as much. Whereas Burrow can obviously dictate what's working more so than, maybe Mahomes will be able to. I think the Bengals are the hottest team in football. I think that so far Burrow is three and oh, against the Chiefs. I'm going Cincinnati boys.

Stoy Hall: 1:09:43

Okay. Oof oak. Oof. I can

Cole Ingle: 1:09:49

I just I think that the ankle ends up being, I think it's gonna be hard for Mahomes to not try to do some of theno things. He normally does, and Stoy and I talked about this earlier, there's that he tries to get outta the pocket sometimes when the pocket is clean. And I think if that instinct is still there, even though he's injured, he's gonna put his team in a bad position in a couple different times. And also, he had a couple throws last week that you could definitely tell on even short passes where he had to stick that foot in the ground and make an accurate throw and he wasn't able to. Now this could all be overblown, but that's where I'm leaning, is that I just don't think he's gonna be able to make all of the throws or all of the plays for four quarters. It's not something that's gonna get better during the game. And I think ultimately that leads to a mistake at some point that that allows the Bengals to, pull this one off. I'm also on the over, I do think it's gonna be a good game. I see this one somewhere in the realm of a 31 27 type of game.

Stoy Hall: 1:10:55

So let me ask you this. What, would cause the Bengals not to play man, and say, have fun. Good luck. Yeah, I would. What scares them? I would double team Kelsey. Yeah. You can still do that in, man. No, that's what I'm saying.

Cole Ingle: 1:11:10

So what, scares me? Double team Kelsey and make the chiefs homes run the

Stoy Hall: 1:11:14

football based upon we don't know his health. We'll figure that. He can't hit those quick ones. He can quit, hit the quick ones over the middle. But anything outside, he can't, you just can't put the foot down. Yeah. And if that holds up Yeah. Where do the play, where are your plays at? Yep. And, that's ultimately Kansas Sid's run game does not scare me. Shouldn't scare the mans. Okay. So I can go ahead and grab him and, test, test him beat me. Yeah. Thing is, you can do that most of the game because it takes one scramble and one tackle that we showed earlier. If that ankle gets hit that way again Yeah. He's out. He's not coming back. Yeah. And now backup comes in. Who knows? Like the, then that game plan switches. Cincinnati's defense should not be afraid of anything. Really double, Kelsey duh. Do your job there. Man up load box. And you have to have Mahomes beat you from the pocket. On, a leg that we don't know. Now, once you test that hangout, he might beat you a couple times. Fine, then you can change. But I don't under, I wouldn't see why they wouldn't come out and just be aggressive. Yeah. Flip side chiefs, they can't really run the ball defensively. They can get ran on and I, loved what you said about the Bengals. Like they just look mean and took it over. And when you have a newer O line, weaker o line, whatever you wanna call it new pieces, running the ball gets them gelled. Yeah. And to me it looked like that last week. I believe they can come in and do that again. Ultimately this one is interesting for me because I, have that year long Super Bowl bet. Yeah. It's on the Chiefs. I had to be cashing that thing out. My cash out went for 1 42. It's down to 1 25. Might have to do that,

Cole Ingle: 1:13:11

but this line has moved three points since it started. It opened as the Chief's one and a half point favorites and now is on the Bengals one and a half point favorite. So all the way up to two and a half on the Bengals. So fair.

Stoy Hall: 1:13:22

A big move. So I am also gonna go Cinci. Oh, wow. Both. Yeah. I just

Cole Ingle: 1:13:31

Andrew going Lone wolf here, bud.

Andrew Utterback: 1:13:34

Why, do you think that lines move so much with the announcement that Mahomes is gonna play?

Cole Ingle: 1:13:39

That's, that surprise me. I don't know where the the injury report obviously isn't gonna say anything different, and as far as I know, Vegas doesn't have somebody sitting in doing rehab with Mahomes, but I could be wrong.

Stoy Hall: 1:13:52

Hey Not, I feel like they got I, think it's a par partial. It's also a money grab. People are gonna put a lot on the chiefs late.

Cole Ingle: 1:14:04

But that's apic. That's APIC line either side. It is. That's why I thought the three, the three point movement in my mind is bigger just from that perspective and the fact that

Stoy Hall: 1:14:14

nothing's changed since I did see go from one and a half chiefs to two and a half bangles. That's, yeah, that's a move. Which I thought that means Mahomes had a bad report, but he hasn't had a bad report I'm actually going under I don't see this being I think I, I feel like both quarterbacks end up being a little sloppier than we're used to Mahomes, cuz there's injury in the bur because of, pressure that actually comes I think this will be a little sloppier than normal. Beals might turn to the run game earlier than you. Then it's.