Damar Hamlin - Life Over a Game

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Transcript

Stoy Hall: 0:00

We are tough day. Real tough day, weird day. Very, very, very weird and tough day.

Cole Ingle: 0:08

But, um, yeah, we'll, we'll dive into that.

Stoy Hall: 0:11

Yeah. I mean, as, as the title of the, of the show of DeMar Hamlin, uh, life Over a Game. Um, I mean, I'll just go with like, I was reading Titanic and I look and you've texted me and you were, you're reading

Cole Ingle: 0:26

Titanic. Yeah. Is that a lot? Is that book

Stoy Hall: 0:29

As long as the movie? It feels like it. Okay. And by the way, multiple books. Okay. Like, so when the boys get their library book mm-hmm. it's always Titanic and it's always like this. All right.

Cole Ingle: 0:40

So you're just reading snippets just of to the boys. Oh yeah. Gotcha.

Stoy Hall: 0:43

Anyways, sorry. Um, so I'm doing that once that's over, all of a sudden I get texts from you, from the group and I'm just like, what the F happened? Yeah. Um, you saw it live? Yeah, I saw it live. We'll, let with my wife. I'm gonna let you go through that live cuz I, I came into it obviously late. Yeah. To that. But, uh, why don't you, why don't you talk about the live, so,

Cole Ingle: 1:06

I mean, first quarter, um, both teams had, you know, field goal, touchdown been scored, uh, pass play across the middle, uh, receiver turns up the field, defensive back tackles him, uh, stands up over the top of him and then literally looks like. he got kd, like the, you know, the giant falling. I mean, we've all seen the video. Um, yeah, we're not gonna play it, we're not playing here. But I immediately, you know, you go into concussion, but I, I, I watched the play mm-hmm. and my, my personal immediate reaction was that it, that this was worse than a concussion from a standpoint of like, he, he fainted or he passed out. Like it wasn't the, um, the fetal position reactions, right? Mm-hmm. that we saw, or even like this weekend we saw, um, that, well, when we may or may not show the video on that, um, the Colt's quarterback, uh, Folz. Oh, yeah. Kind of like seizing or whatever he was doing on the field. And like, you could tell this was a, this was worse than that, um, from like a paralysis perspective of like, there was no movement. He's just not moving. Yeah. And so like, but he stood up like we wa like I, my eyes said, oh, he's, and this was normal football play. And you know, as people have watched and you can agree or disagree whether to keep showing the video, and it's more so, like, there's nothing that that's in the video that's really hard to see other than it's because you know, what it led to Yes. Um, type of thing. So it's, it's more outta respect from that perspective. But my wife is watching and she's like, oh, You know, you know what happened? And I'm like, I, I don't know. And so like we go back and rewatch it. Um, they've gone to commercial the first time at this point, and I'm like, he had, he got hit in the chest unless as he fell back, like he hit his head and you couldn't really see it in the first shot. You're like, okay, maybe, maybe that was it. But like, or initial, like shock absorption of the tackle. Mm-hmm. But I mean, guys running sideways and then turns up the field. Like he doesn't have, you know, it's not like he's a top speed, right? There's no shoulder pad into the right. You know, and it's nothing crazy. And then it's just like, wow. Okay. And as soon as they came back the second time from commercial, uh, the two things. One, obviously the ambulance is on the field at that point, but two, like players reactions, um, fortunately or unfortunately, uh, however you wanna look at it. We've both been on the field when bad things have happened to people. Mm-hmm. Um, and I don't, we both had injuries. Um, I have personally been taking off the field in an ambulance before, um, doesn't, you know, obviously my situation wasn't as dire, but at the time, I mean, I had shoulder pads cut off of me, a helmet cut off of me when I was in eighth grade. Um, you know, they thought I was bleeding outta my ears. Thankfully I wasn't. But I mean, I've, I've, so I've been the person laying on the ground knocked. Um, concussed and ambulance off the field. I've also been the player at practice who has seen guys break legs. Uh, unfortunately, um, I've seen concussions, so like, you know, we've seen it, we've been in person. So like, you know, the feeling where the color drains from your face, your heart sinks completely and there's no way to hide that emotion. And specifically Josh Allen, I think as much as anyone, and obviously he's a superstar, so where focus was, you knew something was worse than concussion, broken leg, ecl, whatever it was. Now, obviously we saw that too, right? That he fainted, but like, so now, you know where I'm like, that's when the text went out, was like, I'm, I think this guy is, is dying or dead on the field. And, and he and I, technically he was, he was, um, you know, obviously like trying not to con cause a panic with the text that I'm sending. But, you know, I had a couple people that I sent it to and was just like, you know, you weren't watching at the time. So I didn't get it. And I got a maybe a five minute reaction from my other buddy that I had texted, and I was just like, okay, so like, I'm just kind of having back and she's like, well, how does something that happen, my wife? And I'm like, I mean, I don't, I don't know. Right. And like on the, you know, where you're not getting anything from the television. No, not at the point. Right. Um, other. Information that, you know, whether you agree or disagree with how it was handled or if they should keep going back to the shot or if they should keep going back to the studio. Like all of that stuff is honestly like, does it really matter? No. These, that's what these people are paid for. And unfortunately they were put in a position that they probably weren't prepared for. And I think overall the situation was probably handled about as good as it could have been. From,

Stoy Hall: 6:13

from the television standpoint? Yes. Not by the nfl. We'll, we'll definitely hit on

Cole Ingle: 6:17

podcast, which, uh, you know, a lot of it's gonna be, he said, she said, uh, how it's handled by the nfl. The NFL just needs to have a better protocol, uh, in place. Um, the thing that's tough with that is the NFL see's concussions every week. Um, this looked and felt a lot like a concussion as soon as it became more than that. Um, you know, whether it be a paralysis, a death or anything like that, um, it's hard to see that, an impossible to see that and play at any type of level or focus at any type of level where you're not putting yourself and everyone else on that field in danger by

Stoy Hall: 6:59

going back out there, or a hundred percent been more injuries. There's been no way around it. Mm-hmm.

Cole Ingle: 7:04

And, I mean, and even if there wasn't, it wasn't, it's not fair. No. Uh, it's not fair to. a anybody DeMar. Right. And it's not fair to any of the players, not fair to any coaches, any of the fans. And you feel terrible first, you know, first and foremost for DeMar for his family, who they're trying to, they're trying to get his mom out of the crowd to get to the ambulance. I feel a certain way about that and that I hope that he was stable enough that those seconds didn't matter because his mom, we could have got his mom to the hospital a different way. Now. That's right. Personal. Like I, I, I read it as I

Stoy Hall: 7:49

know, like I read it, it was a good thing.

Cole Ingle: 7:52

The gesture was fine.

Stoy Hall: 7:53

Well, I, I read it as he was stable, therefore she, they could wait. I'm, I'm really hoping that I, and I, I just, I'm not gonna be, I don't know respect on that, but like, I'm assume he was good to go. Yeah. Relatively speaking. Um, so his mom could join.

Cole Ingle: 8:08

Right. And that's what I hope for. And like from that perspective, I'm glad that they searched her out. Yeah. Find her. Because like they showed, you know, video, pre-game. I mean, he's obviously very close with his family. Family was down on the field, so all of that. And there's nothing worse than not knowing it. I mean, specifically as a family member. I mean, we all want to know, but I mean, honestly we don't know the guy, so. Right. Our day-to-day is not gonna be affected. Yeah. Like, you know, his family family's this, so like, that was good to see. That thought process came about and that they were able to get her there, uh, so she could be with her son. So, um, but yeah, that was like, that was the initial reaction to everything, you know? And then at that point, I think about two or three more commercials in, um, I had seen what I, I I had heard enough, right. Um, actually probably before that. But, uh, finally just we turned away and watched the show. Um, I think my wife was a little bit more intrigued, at least initially, with like, what was gonna happen with the game and stuff like that. And honestly I was like, if they do play the game, I don't wanna watch. Um, and, uh, it didn't do me any good to hear from other players. And because, like I, I know that I've been there mm-hmm. and so they weren't offering me on a personal level any more insight to the feeling or the sincerity I should feel, or how they shouldn't be playing the game. Um, you know, and there's a lot of talk on Twitter, uh, and stuff like that. Um, I specifically was checking back there more so just to see if there were any updates on him, which, you know, slowly stuff leaked in, um, through the night. But I mean, besides that, all of the back and forth about different people's takes and everything like that, honestly I could really care less. Um, journalistic timing is really everyth. Um, so the stuff that was criticized was criticized because of when it came out, not nearly what came out in my opinion. And then, you know, everybody's got their opinion on, on how they feel about certain things, um, on that. And that's why social media, ultimately the great thing that came out of it was over, you know, getting close now to$5 million raised, uh, to yeah. Uh, DeMar Hamlin's charity, uh, which goes for gifts, uh, to kids in very tough neighborhoods.

Stoy Hall: 10:34

So, yeah. So they, and they're, who's on that? And they're expanding more on that. His, um, probably one of his best friends, but his marking guy who he, uh, I watched his interview on Pat McAfee's, show 2 30, 12 30, something like that, came out and said, I don't have, Hey, I don't have any updates. What you have is what you have. Right. The family, that's a family up to the family to do that. That's not my job. But my job was, I needed to find the password to that GoFundMe because that GoFundMe was from 2020 and he's like, I was afraid at that 0.3 and a half million dollars, we wouldn't have access to him. Right. He has access to it now. They've updated the description. Yes. It was originally for toys. Right. Um, now it's going to expand to camps. Right. And just really all of the things that he DeMar wanted to do, just didn't have the resources we do at the, realized that camps and all those are coming

Cole Ingle: 11:24

into play, this GoFundMe was originally set up with a$2,500 goal. Yeah. Like you said, back in 2020, it hadn't reached its goal. So this thing had not taken off at all in any Nope. I mean, especially for a guy that, you know, even as a young guy, I mean, he's still making probably a couple million dollars. Uh, I don't know how much he's making either. Right. But like, definitely a guy that would have enough to, he's funded, he funded the GoFundMe on his own, let's put it that way. Yeah. Um, so, and just didn't take the page down, just left it. And he was still doing it. Like we, we've seen, um, in all the reports and stuff like that, uh, a guy that's very involved with his community. Right. Uh, and has continued to be, so this GoFundMe was a, um, you know, something he started when he got drafted and take off. Yeah. Yeah. It just, it never did. And now it got, and now it's rebooted.

Stoy Hall: 12:09

So it's probably well over five, I would assume. We haven't checked it. It will be in our description. Um, for, for this. We've posted it. We'll continuously do that. No. To support him in what he wants to do. Right. Regardless of what his outcome is, football-wise. Mm-hmm. Um, now I've spoken to a couple doctors. Sean Slavin, a surgeon. Mm-hmm. he's the one who alluded our group to what the, uh, what what it was. And here I, I'm gonna look it up cuz I can't, I'm not a doctor, so I'm not going to be able to say this word very well. Um, but, uh, com Commotio

Cole Ingle: 12:47

cordes Kimmo cordes kad cho. That's what they're, I mean, I saw that listed. I mean, it's all relative to. you know, you don't know if he has anything preexisting. You don't know. I mean, you just don't know anybody. So Right. As far as the kamo cordes that, um, you referred to is basically when you have a hard hit to the chest is where basically where your heart boom, like beats off your ribcage, right. For lack of a better term. Um, or, or your spine, um, because of a hit. And, uh, there was a hockey player, and I'm just saw this at some point. Yeah, I did it too 25 years ago that, um, had a puck hit him in the chest. Um, I think they showed like a, you know, a guy's getting hit with a baseball or anything like that is what happens with, um, they, they, this can happen too. Um, so that's, you know, just based on what people are seeing, kind of what people are thinking happened, um, you know, tough to know. And ultimately, like I say, I, we're not doctors. They're not And doesn't ultimately, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. No. Like, you know, ultimately the guy almost died on the

Stoy Hall: 14:03

field. He almost died. And clearly it's a, it's a, a freak accident is a very rare occurrence. Right. Clearly. Or else there would be Right. A lot more happening. This is the first time in, I guess modern day football. We can say in the NFL that it's happened now, it's happened in high school level. It's usually in younger male athletes. That this type of thing occurs. Yeah. Um, so really it doesn't matter what it is or how it's the fact that it happened, uh, he had nine minutes of cpr, which is crazy. Long ass time. Um, he was probably what everyone's saying in the second safest place for this to happen. Yeah. Besides the hospital. Besides the hospital, because of all the doctors and all, all of the things

Cole Ingle: 14:46

that they have have, basically they had to, I mean, cuz they had to shock him. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, ultimately from a response time standpoint, could not have, there's one other place besides li being, I mean literally laying in the hospital, um, that you would get that to, that you would get that response time, right? Correct. Um, and that's the biggest thing in those moments, whether tart attack, stroke, anything like those is time response Time. Response time. Um, and that's kind of why I brought that up with the whole mom down to the ambulance thing, is that you hope that everything, I mean, yeah. Again, who knows, we're not, can only assume and if you're waiting for a relative right. At that point, there's some stability and having a loved one there is definitely the greatest thing you can have. Correct. If you're stable. Correct. If you, obviously stable is a in critical condition. Um, but if they had him, you know, in a position where everything was good to get his mom in there was, was great.

Stoy Hall: 15:38

So, and let's you know, the, the importance of Yeah. Like you said, family, um, time speed. recovery and everything getting there. Um, I, I want to hit upon like, as the team and, um, you know, the speculation of NFL delaying the game, not delaying the game, saying you got five minutes to get ready. Mm-hmm. both teams saying F off, um, those types of things. Um, the, the emotional standpoint, when you look at Josh Allen, um, is in, in Digs crying and all of that. Mm-hmm. the, the one that we, we, and I wanna make sure everyone knows and it hits upon and supports as much as everyone else, probably a step below tomorrow, but damn, the closest to it is t Higgins. Um, to be the player that caused quote, quote caused like, I don't know, he was the one who hit him in the chest. We'll put it that way. Right. Um, to be that player. Um, no one could imagine what that feels like. It's gotta be closest to killing someone without accidentally killing someone. Like that would be the only one. How you guys can relate to that. I can't relate to that. Right. Um, but I know he broke down and, and has tried, you know, showed up to the hospital. I couldn't imagine being the one to put someone else in that situation.

Cole Ingle: 17:05

Yeah. See, and I struggle with this, and here's the reason I struggle with it, because I, I watch Kevon Tido. Knock a quarterback into convulsions, do a snow angel on the field, and then do the, put you to sleep signal on the sideline this weekend. Um, so t Higgins is, that's a complete accident. I mean, he's getting tackled. Correct. He's not going after anyone. And like I understand from that perspective that he's going to feel bad, but I don't, I just don't know, you know, unless you're t Higgins and you're not going to know. But I don't know that that I would feel, um, in, I mean, remorse or like each individual is going to have a different reaction to that. Yeah. The I and I think people have reached out and everything that I saw was, you know, absolutely not your fault, da da da da da. Correct. But we don't do that. My overall issue is like, we don't do that to the guy who knocked the guy out. Like who hit, who hit Tua and concussed him. Right. We have no idea. Right. Did that guy feel any remorse or was he doing his job? Good point. You know, and again, this is different because it come to a heart attack. We had a guy on the field we thought, I thought was dead. Was dead. Yes. And technically, technically was. Was dead. Was dead and was brought back. Um, so, you know, a life was saved on the field. Um, you know, you go back to. um, Ryan Shazi, um, when he got paralyzed on the field and who he hit, you know, and a lot of people would be like, well, he led with his head so it was his own fault. Or, you know, and it's like, no, no, no. Like we're playing football here. Mm-hmm. and like, nothing is anybody's fault. Like everybody knows what they signed f up for. And every NFL guy to a man, every college football player, to a man, every high school football player, to a degree, to a degree, But I mean, once you get to a high school level, you've been there enough football, you know, your parents know, everyone knows, right. Um, you know what you're signing up for. Mm-hmm. and the guys that are, are making the most money, um, really know which are these NFL level guys who know it's an entertainment and a game in a, in a game and life over a game. Again, last night we got it right. But like, at what point do we start, you know, does the blame thing and that those types of feelings start to be more, you know, is the light gonna shine, like, shine on that more when it's not necessarily life or death on the field? Like, when is the NFL actually going to start caring about player safety? And can you, like, ca can you have this game mm-hmm. and have player safety or is it just an oxymoron

Stoy Hall: 20:00

to ah, that's tough. Uh, I think to a, to a degree you can. have'em both. Mm-hmm. overall, it's an oxymoron. It's like war like, and I'm not gonna put us

Cole Ingle: 20:11

the gladiator thing is the thing that I've heard the most. Yeah. Uh, just because the war thing is a, I mean, I understand what they're trying to, but, um, you know, it's, that's our entertainment. That's a hundred thousand people on the stands. Yes. Gladiator. We got two teams on the field. Like, it's what it is. Yeah. At the, the end of the day, like, people are expecting people to hit people hard. Mm-hmm. Um, if somebody gets hurt, it's really not. I mean, people go to hockey games to see people fight and love fights. Everybody's, I'm one of them, right? I mean, guilty. Yes. Like, you know, who doesn't like to see a big hit? Doesn't like to see the hockey ass fight. You know, everybody wants a big play. The, there's repercussions for that. And like, I think last night, maybe for three hours, five hours, whatever, up until the next game's played, shows a little bit of light to that. They're like, Hey, it is a game. People can die. You know, it's more than people getting hurt. They can't, you know, and the concussion thing has led to a lot of conversations. And when it's not a concussion, I feel like people forgot how to react. Um, just because the concussion, it's concussion. Concussion. You know? Did you know we've got the roughing, the passer thing where we're laying guys down. We've got, you know, but then we still have all of these guys getting concussions anyway, you know, and it's just like, Okay. Obviously that isn't helping. Correct. Or is it, you know, or would it be way worse? No way to know. No way to know. Um, but that's the ultimate discussion is that, you know, when these guys enter the arena, their entertainment, their what their profession is, what they're getting paid for, they're putting themselves, their lives, their bodies on the line. Absolutely.

Stoy Hall: 21:59

Um, both now and in the future, right? Like we're, we know this,

Cole Ingle: 22:03

like when you go to work, you don't expect to get hit in the head, break a leg. Correct. Have someone hit you hard enough that it can cause some type of heart issue. Um, but when they do, like, when they go to work, it, it's a hazard of the job. Yeah. Um, there is a reason they get paid millions to hundreds of millions of dollars. Um, if I, if that is my hazard pay, then so be it. Right. But so be it. You also have to be sensitive within that to understand that these are still human beings. Correct. And that when that line, when we get to that line that we understand, and that's why I said earlier I mentioned journalistic timing on a lot of the reactions. And it's like all, all things can be discussed, um, in a correct way, in an incorrect. And everybody has a different view on it. However, last night at the time that that guy's laying on the field is not the time to discuss anything. But whether that guy, whether or not that life is gonna be preserved. Yes. And so I have as big a trouble with the people who are responding to the people they didn't like, just because at that point you've lost focus on what's important as well. And so just, just the whole snowballing of, you know, social media and everything like that is just, is is err in the first place. Yeah. Just because as soon as one person gets it off track, now, now everyone who is responding to that person is also off track. Off track. And like, you're not any better than that guy now, in my opinion. And so, like that's where my issues lie with all of those things. Yeah. Knowing that we're gonna go into today, we're gonna discuss it, it's gonna be the number one topic in all of news. Radio, sports, radio, podcasts, you name it. It's gonna be what's talked about. You've got people not doing specific items today that they would as far as content goes. Um, basically, and em, or not remembrance in condolences for Right. Right. Um, you know, all of these things that are going on, but at some point, Thursday's gonna hit, I don't know, Saturday Saturday's gonna hit. Uh, and we're gonna have another football game and it'll be Wednesday's all the to for those guys and they're gonna go back to practice. Right. And yes, that's gonna be thought about, but I, I saw a tweet that was, uh, I believe it was Ryan Clark. Um, he was the ne the next step or the next snap on the football field is going to be the scariest one. And like, I don't know, I didn't know how I felt about, like, I understand what he's saying as far as there's going to be a huge exhale when that is done. Uh, just because of the last one. You know, it wasn't necessarily anything, you know, it wasn't anything people don't do on a rugby field with no pads and no helmets. Yeah. You know, he, he hugged a guy, tackled him, and this is what we were left with. Literally a timing issue. That's what, but like, it goes back to my football thought. Is that like, no, these guys, like, when you go back out there, first of all know that you're going back onto a football field and if you're not ready to do that, don't then don't. And are most of the guys gonna be ready? I think, I think they are, but if you're not, then don't. Yeah. And don't, don't feel like you're gonna get judged for it. Don't like, whatever it is. Like, if you are in that mindset, then don't go on the football field Is, is what my reaction was to the, to the tweet that I saw. And I just, I don't know how I felt about that.

Stoy Hall: 25:49

Like he's, he's right and wrong at the same time. He is right for literally everyone watching. Right. W cuz we don't, I, I'm not gonna practice on Wednesday. Wednesday for those guys that first hit, and then some of

Cole Ingle: 26:01

them hit very much in practice, it's just gonna

Stoy Hall: 26:04

be, it's not even gonna be a hit. No, but it's just stepping back on a field is going to be awkward at first. Right. Um, mainly for the bills in the Bengals. I think the other teams they'll have, they'll be a, it'll be weird at first. They're gonna say something about guaranteeing team meetings. Mm-hmm. Um, but those two teams, for sure, that first practice back is gonna be, it, it gonna take a few, it's gonna take a few minutes to get into it. Right. Once they get into it, they're fine. They'll be locked in from Wednesday, half of Wednesday, or whatever you wanna call it, on by kickoff. Saturday, not one player on the field. It will not register. And if it does, they're not playing, but it won't register, then it is game time locked in. We know what we're doing for fans for, and that's, it's

Cole Ingle: 26:47

gotta be that way. Has to be like, let's, let's be very clear about that. If it's not, like you said they need, they need to remove themselves.

Stoy Hall: 26:53

And I think coaches will be very cognizant of it. Right. Because that No, that's a terrible situation. Mm-hmm. um, from Ryan Clark Clark's tweet for fans. I do agree. They're not gonna see a hit until the first game. Mm-hmm. they're all gonna go, all right. Yeah. Right. And guess what? There might be someone get hurt on that first play and we might not even see it. Right. And that's okay. And once that's over, we'll be back to relative normal. Um, so I think that's, you gotta look at it as a player. One way, you gotta look at it as a fan. The other, the fans will do that. Players, um, Wednesday. Wednesday it'll be their time to lock in. We, we as players have always done that. Our wasn't Wednesday, it would've been nice. Right. It was Tuesday for us. Right. Tuesday locked in, good to go. Whatever happened, whoever's hurt. Mm-hmm. you gotta get back on the field and do your job. Right. And that's what will happen Wednesday. And we'll, and we'll, we'll move forward. Mm-hmm. uh, which is great. We do need to move forward. Uh, we're all here for tomorrow. Um, you know, when he comes back, all the support if he retires, doesn't matter. Right. Uh, the support is there for all players, current players, young players, older players, uh, former players, fans. Just recognize the moment mm-hmm. and recognize how important just life is. Yeah. Just how fragile

Cole Ingle: 28:20

it is. It's very fragile. I mean, that's ultimately what it comes down to. I mean, for me, like, like that's a big thing that I took out of it. Yeah. Was just the fragility of life. Um, and just seeing it on a national stage where millions, millions, hundreds of millions, maybe at this point Right. On hundreds of millions of people have seen that come a

Stoy Hall: 28:40

playoffs. Oh yeah.

Cole Ingle: 28:41

By now. Absolutely. Of social media. Hundreds of millions of people watched someone die on a football field and get resuscitated in some way. Correct. Um, because we know that they had to resuscitate. That is what happened. Like that, that's just a fact. And you don't see that every day. If you or I or someone we know at our workplace died of a heart attack, sorry. It's just not the same effect. Like this just gives you a reality TV look at the fragility of life. And I think that that goes a long way and it, and it sticks with people. It does. Um, so the positives you can get out of that are, hey, do take a chance to take a deep breath, look around, appreciate what you have in front of you. Do take a look at how the charity of millions of people has been able to. So, so take the positives from it. We know what the possible impacts of football are, and if you hate football and would never let your kid play football, this is not gonna change that. Um, and from the other side, if you saw what happened, it wasn't something that would've been outta the ordinary that we haven't seen specifically us thousands of times, uh, on a football field. And for whatever reason, this time he didn't get to stand up. And hopefully he does this week, you know, whenever it is, whenever it is. Um, you know, and that, that's ultimately all we can hope for. So that, I mean, that's just kind of a, a long winded view though of, of what's happened over the last, uh, basically 22 hours, right?

Stoy Hall: 30:19

Absolutely. Um, Could not have said it better. Um, everyone, we went through something together. Mm-hmm. ultimately the world at this point. I don't know how many people reached. Yeah. But every one of those went through an event with trauma all together. Mm-hmm. um, we just physically didn't get hurt, but his mom saw the same thing we did. Everyone did this together. Yep. And the thing is, you gotta recognize that, um, look around, realize those that are closest to you and really move forward with good support, both for, uh, DeMar, his family, and all those others that are in need. Mm-hmm. uh, this is a time to, to reflect on that and

Cole Ingle: 31:00

it's beginning of the year. Yes. Um, which I think there's a lot of reflection anyway, just in general. Yeah. Um, as a population, uh, new Year's resolution's obviously a big thing. Uh, holidays, everything like that, people are having their own impact from all of those items coming together. And then this is your first Monday night football game after all that Christmas, you know, Thanksgiving, Christmas, new Year. So like two months of reflection, basically new start, da da da da da, bam. And so then you hit this with all of those emotions already running a little bit high and in the biggest NFL game of the year, um, up to this point, just as far as what was on the line mm-hmm. and stuff like that. And boom. And so in a lot of ways, like, it's just a, it's a realization. It's. An aha moment for a lot of people. I think they can be, you know, let's take this and build off of it, um, in any way that we can.

Stoy Hall: 31:57

Absolutely. And in that we'll move forward to college football. That is our NFL recap. It's the only thing that mattered, uh, specifically in the nfl. Uh, college football's a little different. Um, so we're gonna get to that. Uh, now, although my sheet's all messed up, so we're gonna have to, uh,

Cole Ingle: 32:17

please forgive Stoy for deleting all of our picks from the last three weeks. Yeah, he didn't mean it. Um, it wasn't because he, I mean, we, uh, we both sucked at college football, let's be honest. But your NFL picks were good. Good-ish. They were, they were

Stoy Hall: 32:34

Okay-ish. I, I, I got an upset. The best bets were good. Best bets

Cole Ingle: 32:37

were great. You hit the 9 99. Best bet. Yep. Um, so we won't do too much of a, uh, I do, I lost the NFL picks. Um, so I will have a shitty shot for that. So I've got that on deck here. Um, college football. You want to lead us into the playoffs here? I

Stoy Hall: 33:01

don't. Okay. We, we, we, we, we started off with,

Cole Ingle: 33:10

our picks were bad, but the games were great.

Stoy Hall: 33:12

Um, we, we started off with thinking that, um, I, I'm gonna. let me go back. Okay. Mm-hmm. games that we had First Tennessee, Clemson. Yep. Okay. Uh, I remember us sitting here going, this is probably gonna be the best game of the week. Um, we really like Tennessee's defense, all of those things. Well, we, we were completely wrong. Yeah. Cuz I mean, uh, Tennessee, they could score quick and they scored well. Uh, their quarterback out shined Clemson's and Clemson's defense. Yeah. Didn't, didn't show up. So, so that's how we started. Yeah. Then we roll into, and we had Bama case State, which we absolutely nailed, although Case State came out hotter than I anticipated, but Right. Bama was not gonna have any of that. Mm-hmm. So now I'm thinking, okay. Hey, one for one. Right. Roll into the weekend feeling All right. Watch the Iowa team. That was fun for a little bit as a teaser going into this TCU mission gang game. Yeah. Okay. So we had said the semi-finals games, we, we believe are going to be boring in blowouts. We really hope it's not. Yeah. Well, we were, we got what we really hoped for. Yeah. Um, this Michigan TCU game, I mean, T C U could not have played a better game in my opinion. Oh.

Cole Ingle: 34:35

I mean, they turned the ball over

Stoy Hall: 34:36

three times. Well, I mean, you're, yes. Turnovers, but like, no game playing wise, game gameplay. They, physicality

Cole Ingle: 34:43

wise, they took'em out. They, they were not.

Stoy Hall: 34:45

Outmanned, they were definitely not outmanned. Now, to me, the game, this was where I did not agree with how Michigan started to go for it. One, I don't know why you just weren't trying to run down their throat. Mm-hmm. down on the goal line, forget that. But to go for it there in a big game like this mm-hmm. with a, with a underdog if you will. Mm-hmm. they stop you, you flip momentum for them. Mm-hmm. So I think a field goal should have been kicked there. Thanks. Well, the bigger little change, but this game really for me came down to Michigan's, uh, just Michigan's stupidity, uh, from turnovers play calling scheme. Mm-hmm. it just was not good, top to bottom. And they still could have won this game and potentially should have won this game, um, if not for a, a not butt touchdown and, you know, fumbling on the goal line and Right in, you know, those things. So, um, and not taking anything from tcu, I'm just saying. Right. Uh, they had their shot too. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 35:49

So I mean, as I look at this game, I, I look at, uh, that first drive Michigan goes down, I have no problem with them going for it. However, the mistake, as you talked about in stupidity right from the outset is you run a trick play on fourth and one. Um, and as. Powerhouse, dominating, supposed to be able to dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. That's why this game's gonna get ugly. You don't run trick play. You don't run a trick play. You especially don't run a trick play at the beginning of the game. If you, if you let the other team think that you need trick plays to win as an overwhelming favorite on the first drive. Even if you get it, you have set, you have now set a mindset that you have to use something other than brute force and just an overall dominance, which everyone talked about. You having inclu specifically, you talked about you having, uh, and then you didn't use it and you, and you didn't even attempt it. So it's one thing to get stopped. The way they got stopped was even worse. That set the tone for the rest of the game. TCU at

Stoy Hall: 37:01

that point, was no longer afraid. If they were, which by the way, that first drive, you could have, you could have said they were right. Um, but from then on, like you said, even if they would've got it, no intimidation factor whatsoever. Done. Game over, we are equals. If not, we're better.

Cole Ingle: 37:15

Good luck. Come and get it. And then Michigan has the controversial play. Um, it, it was a touchdown, uh, again, repping, affecting football games on the highest level. Um, and they overturned the call, which was even more. That was a damn touch. Uh, unbelievable. But, uh, then you have a fumble on the next play. You're just overthinking, handing a ball to a guy that's a former linebacker in tight quarters, never gets the handoff. Ball goes tcu, you hit the ball back. Um, just again, stupidity, you're stupid. Um, you know, over coaching, I think is what killed Michigan. Now, tcu later in the game, uh, they have two interceptions. Both interceptions arguably should have been caught. One 100% should have been caught. Uh, so they gave some back a little bit. Um, both teams had a fumble in there. So really, you know, I, I think that tcu, there was a call that, that went against TCU on a fumble, or it could have been down, maybe it wasn't, um, you know, type of thing. So, you know, overall, I didn't see enough that went against Michigan to take anything away from what TCU did to win that football. And Max Duggan was good, but he, but he wasn't Heisman. No. You know, it wasn't anything crazy to where you saw like a one man show that we've seen in these college football playoff games over the years and stuff like that, that we thought he would have to have in order for them to win the game. They were not mistake free. They were not, and they competed. And I think ultimately that's the biggest thing for me, the biggest takeaway. Their physic, they matched Michigan's physicality. If we're not a more physical team as far as being able to dominate offensive line of scrimmage, um, they were a better, more physical team. On the offensive front, defensively is about 50 50. Neither team got a ton of pressure. So, uh, not really gonna give it to one team or the other there. But TCU competed with Michigan the whole game. The score showed it both teams had three turnovers, um, which in a 51 45 game, the fact that there were six turnovers and you still had 96 points scored is like this could have been a 70 to 65 game. Yeah. Um, with, without even thinking about it, because they weren't really forced turnover like they were and they weren't, like the plays happened, but they weren't just a, a team taking the ball away. Like they were kind of giveaway turnovers. At least four outta six were fluke turnovers. Yeah. Yeah. So correctable things, hopefully for tcu.

Stoy Hall: 39:55

Uh, that better be on my opinion. But I mean, it

Cole Ingle: 39:58

was a good game. It really led us into the nightcap when you're just like, all right, man. I wasn't even even ready for that next game to start. And we had people come over for New Year's and I'm just like,

Stoy Hall: 40:09

need to breathe, need I need something. Right. I need a

Cole Ingle: 40:12

break. And like, and then boom,

Stoy Hall: 40:15

here we go. Yeah. Right into it. Yeah. So that's, uh, uh, we didn't farewell. We'll just wait. We didn't

Cole Ingle: 40:22

farewell Michigan. I mean, we both had Michigan. Um, did we hit the over I don't even remember. One

Stoy Hall: 40:29

of these games I had the under on, I don't know which one. Yeah, but I think this was the one we hit the over, I took the under in this one, I believe. Okay. Which again, we'll, we'll get to, but here we go. Uh, then we roll right into, I mean, and right into it. It was like 15 minutes. I think. It was not enough time to even really literally catch

Cole Ingle: 40:47

your breath. Catch your breath was all,

Stoy Hall: 40:48

um, and here we go. So Georgia, Ohio State, uh, we had said it that this game, you know, at Georgia should dominate, can dominate depending on how, um, Ohio State's offense place, they have not really shown much against much people. However, we know that Georgia's defense is not ultimately where the Georgia's defense was before. We, we did know that Georgia could score, um, just what was gonna come up of it. Right. And so first drive, Georgia's defense stands up. Second drive, Georgia drives down, gets a Miss Field goal. Now I'm like, okay, are, we're gonna get into a little nice little match. And then we just went off like from there, races taking off. Um, overall, like just from a, a st. Statistics standpoint, which I'm not a statistics guy, but I believe Stroud, I don't know where he was on people's strap boards. He definitely made himself money. Mm-hmm. 23 for 34, 348 yards and four touchdowns and was just picking'em apart, although there was a lot of blown coverages. Mm-hmm. um, and Seth and Bennett. I don't know why people don't talk more about Sens. Uh, maybe he's short. He's old. I don't get it. He's like a Dre Drew.

Cole Ingle: 42:02

Too little Drew breezy, breezy to you? I don't think he has the arm strength. 23

Stoy Hall: 42:06

for 34, 398 yards, three touchdowns in apic. Um, just, it was just a really, really good

Cole Ingle: 42:15

game. Yeah. I don't know how Ohio State lost his game. Game.

Stoy Hall: 42:19

Yeah, I don't either. I don't either.

Cole Ingle: 42:21

I mean, I went back besides coaching, of course, um, like I said, we had people over, so like I was more distracted during this game than I was the other game. Just as far as in ebbs and flows. I watched like the second half again, Ohio State choked. Um, and I'd like to be able to put my finger on it a little bit more as far as Marvin Harrison, Jr. Went out of the game. And so you don't have that factor as far as elite receivers, you know, Ohio State's down, you know, a couple receivers tied in, you know, whatever it may be. Yeah. But at that

Stoy Hall: 43:05

point, but I mean, it shouldn't, like at that point, cuz if he would've caught, touched on, well, we're gonna get to that, don't worry. But Right, right. At that point, still, 38, 24 with five minutes left on the.

Cole Ingle: 43:18

Yeah. I mean, fourth quarter they were up two scores.

Stoy Hall: 43:22

Yeah. I mean, they're up, they're up 11, uh, two minutes into the fourth quarter. Mm-hmm. So I, I get that like, yeah, not having him suck, but you had the po the points

Cole Ingle: 43:33

were there already, right? I mean, you gave up that. And George is just the thing that, and that's the scary part about this is the scary part about Georgia is Georgia looked pedestrian again. They have athletes all over the field. Guys can make plays, explosive plays. I mean, you had a completely blown coverage, uh, to get the game back to I think 30, 35 or 38, 32, something somewhere in there. I don't remember if they kicked the field goal before or after, but I mean, literally a guy ran down the sideline guy fell down, and there's nobody there. Um, he had a couple of plays where they're running back. Literally just ran through the defense and it looked like the defense was staining still. Yeah. Uh, so like you have elite athletes and so like when you watch those plays, you're like, wow, okay. Like that's why George is so good is because they can afford to play bad and win. But like Ohio State has to win that game. Like you can't play as well as their quarterback played and as well as their team played in general and lose that football

Stoy Hall: 44:31

game. I wanna know this, your quarterback, I played one of the top games you could play in the semi-finals, probably ever hotter in hell. Mm-hmm. I know one of your receivers is out. That's fine. It doesn't matter. He was hot. Yeah. He he's gonna make it happen. Let him. that last drive. Mm-hmm. you took the ball out of his hands and just said, meh.

Cole Ingle: 44:52

Once you got, I mean yeah. Once you got to 35 or 30, basically. Yeah. You just said why coaches just get so comfortable of not, and I don't, it's not comfortable. I think coaches get scared. You're in field goal range. You do not want to take yourself out of field goal range. The only way in their mind to do that is to drop back and pass knowing that I can be sacked. You've gotta trust the guy that finished what? Third in Heisman votes second in Heisman votes wherever he was and

Stoy Hall: 45:25

was in Fugo. I don't even know. Hundred

Cole Ingle: 45:28

yards. Four touchdowns had to turned the ball over, maybe had been sacked a couple times all night. I mean, roll'em out.

Stoy Hall: 45:37

Uh, yeah. You also, you gotta think about the defense. I can't bring pressure on you. Right? You're, you're sitting in field goal range. Mm-hmm. uh, now granted a longer field goal, right? I want you to stop there. Mm-hmm. So I want you to run the ball into the teeth of my defense. Right. I don't want you to drop back and pass because I can't come blitz you. If I do, I'm putting so much pressure back there. Yeah. I just,

Cole Ingle: 45:59

that was ridiculed. Ridiculous. You played, you played to kick a field goal, 45 plus yards to win a game. Awful. And granted, your guy had hit a 48 yarder, I think already. I don't care. But you put all of the. on one guy? No, it's three

Stoy Hall: 46:13

guys. Okay. I didn't, I didn't even a hold kick. I didn't even look at the snap or the hold. You couldn't, there's not

Cole Ingle: 46:18

any good

Stoy Hall: 46:19

was there was no good angles to me. I couldn't find it. Oh,

Cole Ingle: 46:21

well the plant, he planted his foot really close to the ball when you see, and so like, okay, so as far as getting outta a swing, your swing was either gonna be

Stoy Hall: 46:30

because the way he missed it. Oh, I mean, he was not a, that was not a like a, like a kick problem. There was something mechanically between snap, uh, hold or, uh, and I never saw his playing foot, but maybe it was playing foot, like some timing thing was not right.

Cole Ingle: 46:48

I think that the pressure got to him.

Stoy Hall: 46:50

It, I easily put

Cole Ingle: 46:52

up, I just don't know the, he was standing on 18 and a two-stroke lead in just, and he had an eight iron in hand and shank the, he shanked it into the water. Uh, yeah. It didn't even get to the water. It's rolling up behind it. It's, I mean, he kicked a 48 yard field goal, 20 yards left and 30 yards on the field. It was so bad. I mean, there was like, not even like they celebrated as the ball came off his foot. Like there wasn't even any of like the Wait, no. Did it? Or No. Like you couldn't even, like, it was the most anti-climactic game feel situation I think I've ever seen because of how bad he missed it. Like just like, uh oh yeah, that's, and then literally at. midnight.

Stoy Hall: 47:40

Uh, yeah. Yeah,

Cole Ingle: 47:40

it was, so there's the, yeah, the split screen, I'm sure that you've seen, seen, oh, I think

Stoy Hall: 47:45

we have it in the Twitter. It's, that's

Cole Ingle: 47:48

where as the, as the

Stoy Hall: 47:50

clock strikes

Cole Ingle: 47:52

midnight. Midnight, which midnight Eastern time. Yeah. Um, you shanked it to shanked it. And so you've got Stetson been running out, uh, at midnight, basically the whole celebration. Yeah. I mean, midnight, it worked well together, but yeah, I just, uh, Ohio State, if you asked me, I would've said on that night, Ohio State was the more deserving, better football team. Mm-hmm. And they had a kick to win it. So like, let's not act like Strout didn't get them down there and give them a chance to win, um, which he did. And that was a back and forth game like that in the fourth quarter to where, you know, team that has the ball last wins unless you botched the kick kick and they botched the kick. Gotcha. So, um, you know, not the same as, you know, I thought TCU deserved to win against Michigan the way those two teams played. Yeah. And I thought Ohio State deserved to win. Um, but unless, uh, Georgia prevailed and they are now 13 and a half point favorites against tcu, which we'll talk about that, but that doesn't make any damn sense to me. Uh, but

Stoy Hall: 48:53

hey, great. Semi-finals. Yeah. Everyone's saying can't wait for a 12, man. Uh, yep, I agree. Yeah. 12 Team playoff is gonna show more of these. They'll be blowouts, obviously, but it's just the excitement of these games when we had these two games marked as, I don't think they're gonna be close. Oh, Vegas was right. Again. Good job. Vegas. Uh, you're doing pretty well, but, uh, that was college football. Uh, no, no, no, no, no. Back up. I'll go back. Okay. I gotta talk about two games, uh, three games, Um, I'm gonna start with LSU Purdue. Did you see that happening? 63 to seven? No, but that's ridiculous. I just had to mention

Cole Ingle: 49:37

that. It's just one of those things that once it, once the snowball starts rolling downhill and those bowl games, it can get ugly fast. Now the

Stoy Hall: 49:44

game we did pick though, Penn State, Utah. Mm-hmm. and we goon, unlocked, I'm pretty sure on Utah. Utah, yep. Um, good for Penn State.

Cole Ingle: 49:54

I mean, Penn State had good for Penn State two plays, um, or two drives, um, in which they scored touchdowns of 95 plus yards on those two drives. They scored touchdowns of 85 or greater yards. So they ran two plays and I think three plays on the other one, um, for touchdowns, which ended up putting the game away. And then Utah's quarterback got hurt when, which would have been their only chance of coming back, would've been having him in. So the game got really anti-climatic really quick. And what was a good game? Two and a half, almost three quarters. Um, yeah, two and a half quarters basically. So that made a big difference. Um, I did not see Penn State having two plus 80 yard touchdowns against the Utah events. So Good. Kudos to them. Yeah. For them. Uh, good win. I don't care for Did you watch

Stoy Hall: 50:46

or their coach usc Yeah. That ending. Mm-hmm. was

Cole Ingle: 50:52

absurd. Yeah. I watched that game. That one was pretty much end. It's in our entirety. Um, USC is terrible on defense. They can't tackle anyone. Um, everything else is fine. Obviously they're quarter pl back play is really good and their offense is really good. But, so this sequence,

Stoy Hall: 51:13

um, at the end of the game, because I really tuned

Cole Ingle: 51:16

in next, this is a Power five team of 16 points with how long? 15?

Stoy Hall: 51:20

It was 15 points with like four minutes left. With four, because this is when I tuned in against Tulane. Yeah. I tuned in at this point. Um, they kicked the field goal. Mm-hmm. to go up 15 was like four minutes, three, four

Cole Ingle: 51:32

minutes. So at this point it's 45 to 30 with four 20 left

Stoy Hall: 51:36

or something like that. Somewhere in there, right? Yeah. And I'm like, well, let, let's kind of get outta hand. Mm-hmm. uh, that's not, they're not gonna do anything. And then all of a sudden, Tulane, and I'm not a hundred percent sure how that happened, but USC gives up just a bomb. Mm-hmm. Um, and then, you know, uh, t Lingos walks right into the. I'm like, okay, eight points, three minutes still like the, it's still long shot. Right, right, right. You c just needs to go down. Maybe he kick a field goal, waste a bunch of clock, whatever.

Cole Ingle: 52:08

Mind you, uscs often been driving up down the field the whole game.

Stoy Hall: 52:11

Yeah. This should be no problems. Yep. Except for their return. Guy calls a fair catch and just like boo boo right outta bounce on the two. Doesn't matter. Just boo boo. Right outta bounce. And I'm like, how, what? How in the hell you could have let the thing, there are so many other things that could have happened, but that one thing, so now they're on the two, huh? Or one? I don't care. Huh? I'm thinking, okay, you've got Heisman winner, uh, you've got weapons. Um, you're always in shotgun. Stupid. Uh, so I'm thinking, Hey, they're gonna throw out of this situation because there's, you damn sure don't want to get a safety clearly running the ball downhill right now. It's not a good idea. Let's just quick pass, couple quick passes. Let's get some breathing room. Long punt, let your defense try to win it for you. Mm-hmm. No, no, no. Nope. It's not what they do now. They goes on read twice in a row. Mm-hmm. for

Cole Ingle: 53:12

safety. And the safety was like three yards deep in the end zone. It was false. It was no doubt, safety.

Stoy Hall: 53:18

It was so bad that Caleb Williams tried to then take the ball from his running back. Who was getting driven backwards. Right. And try to get out the, his only shot was

Cole Ingle: 53:26

to do that. Right. Okay. Well, here's the other thing. If you feel like you need to run the ball, sneak the damn thing through your times and kick it. Yes. You can't lose yards.

Stoy Hall: 53:36

Worst you get, oh, you're at the two, right? Right. Now I gotta punt it. No, these were shotgun snaps. Okay. So now guess what? You had an eight point lead. You have a six point lead. Guess what happens when they score a touchdown? You're most likely losing the game. Mm-hmm. All right. So that happens. And Tulane just methodically just goes down and really no problems. I didn't, I I, when they started this drive, I was just like, um, besides starting with a sack mm-hmm. they, they were not putting a spy on Pratt and he was just gonna get whatever yards he needed to get. Mm-hmm. the entire drive. Yeah. All the way down

Cole Ingle: 54:19

that 12. It was like 12 plays, three and a half minute drive. Um Yep. To end the game playing. I mean, that was, what's that? I didn't even give Caleb Williams a chance. And you just, that was a thing. Like you, Caleb wins on the sideline, just like, yeah. I'm not like at that point, like you just wanted to let him score just so that you can get the ball back. If you're usc, like, just don't put me at the one yard line and we'll go win the game. Good Lord. Now

Stoy Hall: 54:40

Vegas had one and a half. SC being favorite. Mm-hmm. So they knew something, but Wow. Uh, good for Tulane. Yeah. Good for college football. The big usc Welcome to the

Cole Ingle: 54:52

Big 10 usc. Uh, yeah. Really choked it off there.

Stoy Hall: 54:56

Yeah. All right. So that's, that's our college football

Cole Ingle: 54:59

recap. A lot of amazing, exciting ball games. And then college football playoff to, uh, to top it all off. Yes. Uh, with college football really delivering, um, over the weekend and through bowl season, honestly. Did I

Stoy Hall: 55:17

happening? Oh, yeah. All right. Let's get into our, uh, our Twitter feed, which is always fun. Always a good one. Diving in, always. Good. Good.

Cole Ingle: 55:28

And to have, we got a, we got a lot of like, funny, funny ish clips, I guess this week. Why won't you let me click? So, at first appearance here, um, nothing real crazy. Nobody gets hit. Guy throws the ball. Um, this is in

Stoy Hall: 55:44

Okay. So I don't, where are we looking? Let's, so let everyone know we're looking here.

Cole Ingle: 55:50

Yep. Guy lined up right over. Okay. Offensive tackle.

Stoy Hall: 55:53

Okay. And in, in, he's gonna be running a stunt. Who cares what the name of a stunt is? Doesn't matter. Ultimately, he's running a stunt, so he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. Right. Going to the inside shoulder. Yeah. Doing all that stuff. There was a problem though. His problem. The

Cole Ingle: 56:10

problem is nobody blocks

Stoy Hall: 56:11

him. Oh, come on. All right. His, his issue is his field awareness. The fact that n the you showed this and I was like, what are you talking about? I don't even, he's

Cole Ingle: 56:24

a great throne catch. I don't even think that he was running a stunt because where's the guy that's stunting inside of him? Oh my

Stoy Hall: 56:31

God.

Cole Ingle: 56:32

I, that's, that's what I was looking for. He thought they were, I was waiting for the stunt one to

Stoy Hall: 56:37

been him to come in.

Cole Ingle: 56:39

That's what I'm saying. And

Stoy Hall: 56:41

and they slid and left

Cole Ingle: 56:42

him. Yeah, but he didn't stunt the outside either. The outside guy didn't stunt when someone

56:47

messed

Stoy Hall: 56:47

up. Right. Someone Either way. Either way. There was a

Cole Ingle: 56:52

he ran. I mean they dominated the left tackle. Yeah. Which by the way, to no avail. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 56:58

Uh, Matthews. Jake Matthews, good luck. You had no chance in hell here. Like what are you gonna do here? Like ask or you did your job. Yeah. You blocked'em. Both Got'em both. Got'em both. Uh, left guard sliding. That's gr This is great. This is, this is all good. Pass pro. Um, now that being said, as funny as is, is this a rookie quarterback? Did he make this call, you think or did the line? Well,

Cole Ingle: 57:21

here's the problem I have is that one, two. So you've got the 2, 1, 2, 3,

Stoy Hall: 57:24

4, you got running back over here.

Cole Ingle: 57:26

Yeah. So you've got the running back on the right side. There's no way you're not sliding left in this protection. Um, six. The numbers game six is the mic. The center should have a call. You got six on six. Louie. Louie. Louie. Good to go. Um, you know the center's taking the guy right over the top. Slide 68, slide to 10 seven's got the outside, you've got outside and then running backs, checking inside out. Just in case number six gets a, a free run for some reason. Correct. And then he's gonna help, you know, on anybody else that might come through there. Like which, uh, you should, which I mean, technically in this he would have the linebacker.

Stoy Hall: 58:04

Yes. That's where he would be looking to, which I'm pretty sure he does. So I don't Yeah, he does. He looks and

Cole Ingle: 58:11

then tries to get out 60, I think it's 68 probably there that screws up. Uh, cuz he's the only one who doesn't, uh, to be fair, that's our

Stoy Hall: 58:20

weakest position. If you're Valcon fan, it's a

Cole Ingle: 58:23

problem. So, but everybody else was kind of sliding. Right. But I mean, they would've had to just because of the alignment. So like, that should've just been any who, uh, free

Stoy Hall: 58:31

run at a quarterback. And

Cole Ingle: 58:32

you, he just, I mean, he had the opportunity to go hit a guy in the, you know, just didn't do it.

Stoy Hall: 58:37

You just, you just tapped out. Yep. Oh. It's not the one I wanted to click. Come on. Oh, there we go. What is, everything's just slow. Uh, we're just gonna watch a, you know, just a big hit, just a big ass hit. I, I love every part of it. Legal, everything. Hit legal.

Cole Ingle: 59:07

Yep. Turn the shoulder. Look just a little guy too. Just probably don't weigh a hundred seventy, a hundred seventy five pounds. No receiver. Caught

Stoy Hall: 59:12

the ball. It's a win-win, win across the board. If my opinion, except for, you know, the,

Cole Ingle: 59:16

except for his ribs. Except for his ribs. Just, oh, he got the ball on the way there. Um, yeah, that hurt. The mouthpiece came

Stoy Hall: 59:23

out. Let's just say though, that hurt. Mm-hmm. There's no way around the fact that this hurt. Yeah, this hurt. No doubt. And, and, uh, KU lost.

Cole Ingle: 59:36

They made a valiant comeback. They did. Uh, they really, cause they were getting destroyed. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 59:42

Um, great. That, that jumped all the way up to December 12th. Oh boy. We're gonna have to work our way backwards. How did that happen? Because we, uh, we send a lot. I'm,

Cole Ingle: 59:57

I'm not, not sure what's going on with the feed right now,

Stoy Hall: 1:00:01

I'm not either. Uh uh, um, Good Lord there.

Cole Ingle: 1:00:16

It's start there. It's going through and then organizing a show. Just doing a show folder. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 1:00:23

Yeah. Probably, probably. Uh, no, I don't want that one. Oh, oh, that's just, these are all talking points. What did I had to, like, what is this? Is this real?

Cole Ingle: 1:00:47

I don't think so, but I mean, who knows?

Stoy Hall: 1:00:50

The fact that I saw it multiple times, I'm like, there's no way. I mean, no

Cole Ingle: 1:00:55

way. Terrell Owens is, is definitely known for, he still looks like he's in shape. Let's just be real. Right. For what? But I mean, begging, basically begging to get back to the nfl, uh, and has been for 10, 12 years now, however long he is been now even, it's been, it's been a long time. Is he? Yeah, he's 49, so, uh, yeah, allegedly, um, Jerry Jones and Terrell Owens team had been in contact, but, uh, not,

Stoy Hall: 1:01:23

I think it's contact. I don't think they're

Cole Ingle: 1:01:24

contact. Yeah. I mean, I don't, yeah, don't think that there was anything, uh, to that. So. Oh.

Stoy Hall: 1:01:34

Let's see, what hell's that? I dunno. I remember what that was.

Cole Ingle: 1:01:44

This was before the Thursday night game. So Dallas played Tennessee on Thursday night, and the first touchdown score is a very popular bet, um, for people to take, uh, what what person for a team, um, will score the first touchdown. And they actually had no Tennessee touchdown being scored as the Not only a bet, but like, which I don't even know if it's, I don't know if it's a bet usually. And it's just so far down you don't get to it. Yeah. But it's usually that. Um, but it was the number one pick for Tennessee because of who they were playing and playing against, um, as far as just not having, um, anybody in the game. But their offense was actually in better hands, um, once they got a guy off a practice squad from the Lions than it was in Malik Willis's hands as it turns out. So, um, y yeah, so,

Stoy Hall: 1:02:37

uh, can't wait for that off season. Um, Jerry Judy tweeting. Um, I ain't gonna keep looking at these false statements about my boy Russ man as a teammate who sees the elite work ethic this man has is incomparable. He got in office because he's committed to his life to, to this game. I never had a teammate who mo. Who motivated me more than Russ? Um, I don't, I don't see anything I, I put this out here just because, or, uh, you did. Um, and, and I agree. Like a, a teammate's gonna back him up. There was no way that Jerry duty was gonna come out and say something else. Um, in my opinion, yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:03:11

But he didn't have to say anything.

Stoy Hall: 1:03:13

He didn't have to say anything. Um, and nobody was asking him to say anything. But I don't think a lot of the questioning has been around his work ethic or anything from a, like a player's situation. It's just performance. Performance.

Cole Ingle: 1:03:24

Well, I mean, from you and I, it's performance. I think there's a, I mean there's a lot, a lot of Yep. You know, again, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. Get off of

Stoy Hall: 1:03:31

Twitter, basically. Yeah. I mean, cuz performance wise it's, that's, there's a lot of trolls. Um,

Cole Ingle: 1:03:36

he's still, and all the Russ Cook, Russ gonna cook memes. Mm-hmm. you know, all that type of stuff. You know, it wears on you throughout a season. Yeah. Especially when your team sucks, uh, you're gonna have these reactions. So, uh, Russ said a lot of good things in that press conference, uh, after and has actually looked done well for himself this week, just as from a look standpoint. But, um, yeah, it, uh, I guess was good to get.

Stoy Hall: 1:04:00

Yeah. So we're gonna go back to this roughing the pasture thing. Mm-hmm. I don't know how many times, how many, how long, how many years we have to do it for,

Cole Ingle: 1:04:07

but, um, Hey, that's how you don't get blocked and run right to the quarterback. Correct. For those scoring. Cause this is exactly what happened. It's say play, it's the exact same point.

Stoy Hall: 1:04:15

Um, but I think this one was actually a stunt. Maybe any who, um,

Cole Ingle: 1:04:23

I don't think it was, they just overloaded. They just, and they just didn't slide again though. Like, they didn't slid the wrong way. They didn't slide anyways. Like,

Stoy Hall: 1:04:31

uh, how is this

Cole Ingle: 1:04:32

roughing? The passer right there? I mean, I, I'm telling you what they're calling, I don't, I know what they're calling it. I don't

Stoy Hall: 1:04:41

agree with they're calling, they're saying putting

Cole Ingle: 1:04:42

his weight on him, but as soon as, but like as soon as he, so, I mean, do you want the answer or do you like, as soon as he does that, they're gonna call as soon as he tilts. That's the driving thing that they're talking about. And again, completely disagree, but that's exactly what they're looking for. As soon as he lifts up right here. So he's lifting with that left shoulder and he's gonna drive boom. And even though he's, the thing that he did, he even tried to put his weight down on his right hand. I agree.

Stoy Hall: 1:05:15

That's what I was like, what does he like? I think he was like, tr

Cole Ingle: 1:05:18

I, no, it's not fair to defenders at all. A hundred percent because as soon as he does that, and I don't know if we put it on here, uh, there was

Stoy Hall: 1:05:25

the play. I think. I hope we did.

Cole Ingle: 1:05:27

Okay. There's a play that happened this week where the guy stopped tackling the quarterback because of it. A actually, I don't even think he stopped. He just didn't hit him. Start tackling. No, he hit him. But like, he didn't rat like, no, and, and the quarterback threw the ball. And like, that's what's going to happen to these defenses and that's, it's not fair to the defense. Um,

Stoy Hall: 1:05:47

So

Cole Ingle: 1:05:48

same. Same thing. Same thing. And you see when he lifted to drive there, same. I mean, it's the exact same thing when he does that, which is how you're taught to finish a tackle. That's what they called on the other guy, because he was standing up this way, but he didn't get called. He didn't get called because he was laying down. The quarterback was down and the player was down low. So it doesn't look as egregious because they're not. But it's like, but uh, that's all it is. They're not starting from, and I, again, I do not agree with it, but that's what they're calling and it's going to continue to show up stupid again and again and again. Uh, stupid.

Stoy Hall: 1:06:26

Happy birthday Tigger. Put that out there. 47. 47. Um, I, I just want to make reference to the fact that we, what is going on that we loved, um, ARD counting in the block. We,

Cole Ingle: 1:06:41

we blew that one up. That was worth$10,609

Stoy Hall: 1:06:44

stuff outta here. Cous. Yep. There no one could have ever said that. Was taunting not a person. Nope. Cuz he wasn't. He was counting. Is it bad to count? Uh, you, you put this one up there?

Cole Ingle: 1:06:58

Mean things are Yeah, this was, you know, as we were getting just slaughtered and our college football bets, uh, Clemson was down at halftime and the game was still relatively close at half, maybe 10 to three, 13 to three or something like that. Clemson had 273 yards. Tennessee in the first half and scored three points. So, uh, way, way to go. That's Just impressively bad. Yeah, I mean, they moved the ball well within the twenties and then couldn't make a field goal or get in the

Stoy Hall: 1:07:30

end zone, so, alright. Right. Quarterback, you threw up a quarterback star, uh, stat about starting quarterbacks. I

Cole Ingle: 1:07:34

did. Um, starting quarterback list. Um, this is the list of guys you've never heard of. Is that Whoa. Hey, for a couple of'em, but yeah, no, you're right. So Jarret stead started for the Raiders, uh, David Bl, bl

Stoy Hall: 1:07:52

blah. Anyways, started

Cole Ingle: 1:07:54

for the Cardinals, started for the Arizona Cardinals, uh, which that would be the third and fourth string quarterbacks for that. Their respective teams, uh, on the year. Josh Dobbs, as I mentioned earlier, well Bla wasn't

Stoy Hall: 1:08:07

on the roster at some point, either. Either dob, but was Steem

Cole Ingle: 1:08:11

was right. Yeah. But he would've still been there. Third string. Third string, yeah. Quarterback. Um, Josh Dobbs got picked up from Detroit to start in Tennessee, um, as their third string guy, Desmond Ritter, second string guy. So that was rookie. Nick Folz third string, oh God. Uh, Davis Mills starter. Um, but he starts for the worst team in football. Teddy Bridgewater, backup Carson Winz. Um, I, I feel like that experiment's finally over. It has to be after this weekend. I don't agree with Mike.

Stoy Hall: 1:08:41

Mike White, like the way he plays. I

Cole Ingle: 1:08:42

like that guy. Well that's fine. I don't have a problem with just not good name. Yeah, I mean, just it's, this is the name a backup, uh, baker Mayfield, former number one pick, but, uh, all over the league. I mean, he, now is it a backup for the Rams? Uh, Kenny Pickett rookie best guy on the list. Yeah. Um, based on rookie end of game performance. Yeah. And then Andy Dalton, who's also actually played pretty well this year for the Saints. Yeah. So, uh, your favorite team. But yeah, that's, uh, those were 3, 6, 9, 12 of the 32 starting quarterbacks over a third of a league was backup and or rookies. Yeah. Well, and I even, or besides Davis Mill Mills, Davis Mills might be the only guy on that. That's

Stoy Hall: 1:09:26

not a backup. It's not a,

Cole Ingle: 1:09:27

was not. But none of those guys have played every game in the season. No. Or even anywhere close. Not even close, cuz Mills has even been out and but the

Stoy Hall: 1:09:34

closest one would be

Cole Ingle: 1:09:36

Dalton and Pickett. Yeah. But I mean, the closest both of them have had injuries in even in between. Yeah. Yes. All right, here we go. So here is the, uh, the infamous non-touch down, non-touch down by Michigan, um, early in the TCU Michigan game. But they fumble on the play after this. So it's a killer cuz it's taking seven points off the board. Uh, not just hat, making them run another play. Um, somehow this was ruled a touchdown is the worst part. So, There's just, I've seen it so many times, I don't know what you're seeing there to overrule cuz this, this is overturned. Um, and what they're seeing is this, which is they call it now down and there's no control until, but there's still no control until he's in the there. But, and then the thing is, so there's control there and he's clearly in the end zone. In the end zone. Uh, as it appears again to me, um, the

Stoy Hall: 1:10:33

biggest, this is the closest we have to live speed and look at this, there's no way you could not call that

Cole Ingle: 1:10:37

person. Right? The biggest thing to me is just that, you know, whatever call you made on the field, there's nothing on that. There's absolutely nothing there to overturn that call. Um, in my opinion and in I would feel like a very big majority of anyone else's opinion.

Stoy Hall: 1:10:53

So now don't fumble the next handoff.

Cole Ingle: 1:10:55

Right? Right. But that's tough. Punch it in like you're supposed to. That's the damn Taha. So,

Stoy Hall: 1:11:02

um, here it is. Here's the celebration we talked about earlier. Why I don't,

Cole Ingle: 1:11:13

what's happening. This is the countdown, uh, from, we don't need to do it from 27, but end of the game. But we're here. Everybody's running onto the field. Less than 20 seconds to go before the ball drops. The ball drop on a ABC setting

Stoy Hall: 1:11:32

up as

Cole Ingle: 1:11:33

10 seconds now down to five. Here comes the snap kick, the hold, the hold. And we're not, I'm not calling that a kick.

Stoy Hall: 1:11:44

the shank and celebration. Mad. It's 2020. Oh wait, no, no, no, no. We're going to the championship. What is that?

Cole Ingle: 1:11:51

We're going to the ship, so, oh yeah. Georgia

Stoy Hall: 1:11:54

wins. That's insane. In just the timing

Cole Ingle: 1:11:57

is Yeah, the timing. Silly. Impeccable.

Stoy Hall: 1:12:00

It's silly. And someone, whoever was doing this Yeah, like, did that, put that together? Yep. That's just impressive. I a good edit there. Alright. This is one of the controversial, uh, things that happened this weekend. And when I first saw it, by the way, and I'm gonna, I can't pause ever. All right. When I first saw it, I

Cole Ingle: 1:12:25

thought, this is Kevon Tido coming off the edge, um, blitz against Nick Fo. And

Stoy Hall: 1:12:32

I originally saw it. I was like, sweet Greyhound, the quarterback. Love it. Didn't and didn't mind. Um, actually I didn't mind the celebration, um, from, cuz this is the clip I saw cuz he sent it, like, didn't mind it at first because there's no way he knows what's going on. No, he's not celebrating that. He, it's when I learned later now he looked over, now it's from here. And then what I learned

Cole Ingle: 1:12:55

and his, his own guys are trying to get him off the field by mind

Stoy Hall: 1:12:57

you, So like, and that had to hurt. Who knows what happened to

Cole Ingle: 1:13:01

him. Well, I don't know. What if he, I think he landed on the ball, but like, what? See, like he's, the way that he's kicking and like shaking, is that like, I don't know what I, I was, I never did hear, did you? No, I didn't hear what the injury was. No. Also, like, you wanna talk about roughing the passer from a a ref view perspective, you can't put more weight on a guy than, than he did right there. Agreed. And like, I don't even think it's a remotely egregious hit. No,

Stoy Hall: 1:13:31

but that's roughing. The, that's more roughing than the

Cole Ingle: 1:13:33

other two we just watched. Oh, a hundred percent. Because simply because he lights on him, like

Stoy Hall: 1:13:38

which caused this injury, which is

Cole Ingle: 1:13:40

what the whole conversation to begin with that we're even having it. But like here we are. So, and, and like even up to that point a little bit, I don't have like, this is celebration, whatever. He doesn't know the guy's there, that guy celebrates with him. Now that these guys come over and they're trying to get him up away, that's fine. Time to go. My problem is there is an extension of this in which he goes to the sideline. Yes. And does the whole put to sleep celebration on the sideline? That's

Stoy Hall: 1:14:07

it. That,

Cole Ingle: 1:14:07

that's knowing ended it for me after knowingly entering someone, you know, whether, you know, again, not egregious, not anything. There was nothing there that, no. That I would tell him to change. But we have to have a little tact and like that's where, that's where I lost it for me, was just like the fact that's like, that's okay.

Stoy Hall: 1:14:27

I agree. And that's where big fine's gonna come. Right. I. he's gonna get a$25,000 Fine. You'd have to for that. Yeah. You would think if he doesn't and he gets like a 10,000 and it's the same as same lazard. I will. Same as this. Yeah, I probably will. Cuz it's the NFL and they're just stupid. This I'm so, um,

Cole Ingle: 1:14:46

just, it's that dominant saints defense, you know,

Stoy Hall: 1:14:49

like I'm scrolling through and I go, what the hell? This can't be real. So I had to switch to the game, figure out what was going on. Uh, first quarter stats in the Saints Eagles game. 44 rush yards to zero. Mm-hmm 59 pass yards to two total of 1 0 3 to two offensive plays. 22 to three. Time of possession. 12 minutes and 52 seconds to two minutes. You would be thinking, I'm thinking I'm saying the eagles. No, the saint's just dominating the first quarter. Really? More game. But what do what You had one, one possession. Mm-hmm. Good lord. Yeah. The

Cole Ingle: 1:15:26

Eagles. Uh, just love stats. Those are fun. Yeah. None, not a good look for the Eagles there. Uh, this, this is a middle school, um, boys basketball

Stoy Hall: 1:15:39

game. Yes. We're showing you basketball.

Cole Ingle: 1:15:41

Three seconds on the clock, kid gets stuck at half court. Has no other attempt or way to get the ball of the hoop other than just sling it backwards over his head and nothing but net to win the game. 29. Two things I

Stoy Hall: 1:15:57

love. 28, 2 things I love. watch the kid. He never turns, he just keeps leaning back to watch it. Oh yeah. Love that. Love that. Well, I mean, he has the

Cole Ingle: 1:16:08

dexterity. Yeah. I would've fell as a 12 to 13 year old kid. That's

Stoy Hall: 1:16:12

one thing I loved about. The other thing is I just love the overall score. It's 28, 26, right? Like,

Cole Ingle: 1:16:17

I mean this was a low score more than like a 10th of the points in the game. Like they only got to 29 He got three of'em right there. Don't win it. Um, my guess is there, there might not have been another three pointer attempted and prob most likely not made the ref at the end cracks me up. The one, not the one next to him, the one at the end. If he, he's like watching this ball go up and it's like he jumps he's like, oh my god. So, yeah. Oh God. Cool moment for that kid. He'll forever. We have to highlight that, uh, highlight moment now. That'll be, you know, blasted over Twitter. I'm sure it's a top 10 play on ESPN and stuff like that. So if

Stoy Hall: 1:16:56

there's plays you want us to review, highlights, all of that stuff, send it to us. Yeah, go ahead. Dms. Um, we're all about that. Um, I don't know what that was about, but week 18. Yeah. We'll

Cole Ingle: 1:17:12

get to week 18. Yeah, we'll cover that. Uh, huge play after the Panthers gave the bucks every chance when this game by just not covering anyone down the field. Yeah. In the passing game. They had this opportunity where the punter just completely botched himself and then somehow gets that kickoff right footed under a guy and down at a, down at the two yard

Stoy Hall: 1:17:40

line. So many things the Panthers could have done here. One, get him down now. Yeah. Or now Or this guy get the hit the ball. What are you doing? I have no idea. Well, actually you could, he could have laid out. Yeah. And just destroyed the punter because there's no roughing. The punter at this point. Game over on

Cole Ingle: 1:17:55

that one. No, that's not true. There's still roughing. The punter. He could have got the ball. It doesn't matter as long as he hits the ball. But if he had just hits the punter doesn't hit the ball. It's roughing the punter still. He's still a punter, not a runner. Hit the ball. Well, I

Stoy Hall: 1:18:07

agree, but like, hit the ball. What do you do? What was he doing?

Cole Ingle: 1:18:10

More impressive, I guess. More impressive on the punter. More impressive that the punter gets the punt off. Or less impressive that the Panthers didn't find a way to get the punter down.

Stoy Hall: 1:18:20

That's a tough one, but I'll give him kudos. Do a kicker. Yeah. Give punter love right here. A little pun. Love. I mean, athlete. Yeah. Uh, won the game. One. The game with his athletic ability. I

Cole Ingle: 1:18:31

mean, 35 seconds left in that game if he doesn't get that punt off. Yeah, Panther authors have a chance to score and win. Um, but not to be Tom Brady. Aaron Rodgers. We left him out to gross dead Just

Stoy Hall: 1:18:47

gross. Did not playing well though. So let's not, I mean, Roger's playing better. Brady's

Cole Ingle: 1:18:51

not playing well. Sorry. That laugh was because we just saw, we've got the video running now of the Yeah. The new commander's mascot. Oh my. Which is a giant overweight pig. Cartoonish the helmet with a, with an army helmet. Now, now I get

Stoy Hall: 1:19:09

I commander's colors. I get what they were trying to do, right? Correct. They lost the whole Redskins thing.

Cole Ingle: 1:19:15

Yeah. But the problem is however you feel about thats, these days in general are cartoonish. Correct. But

Stoy Hall: 1:19:20

like, they were going back to the roots. Mm-hmm. of, you know, the hogs and all of that stuff. Yeah. And then you, you went with Major Tudy.

Cole Ingle: 1:19:30

Major Tudy is his name. And uh, and he looks like a joke. He looks like they played

Stoy Hall: 1:19:37

like, I get the whole big thing. But you went with the ti, like the, like the hips. You even went tighter on the hip. This, this bad. It's a fail. It's not good. It's a fail. Not good dude. Couldn't even get into three point stance. Get outta here. Get outta here. Mm. This one, this one felt good. This one made me watch a little, uh, golf on YouTube. Mm-hmm. This marks the last weekend until late August without PGA two or golf. We've got final rounds for the next 24 weekends, 34. 34. Yeah, I can't read. That's fine. 34 weekends. Yeah. PGA tour or golf and all the, and all the Mondays with Tigray and Rory. Oh yeah. Golf's coming into play

Cole Ingle: 1:20:25

straight to the living room and checked it in. My veins. My

Stoy Hall: 1:20:28

veins. That means golf season's coming soon. Oh,

Cole Ingle: 1:20:31

here it is. It was earlier in that same game. I didn't realize that is So Wince goes or Foz goes back to pass. Linebacker jumps up. Oh, what you play? Hits him. Hits him. Let's off because he thought the ball was thrown. I'm glad it was incomplete. I'm so, and then throws it in completion.

Stoy Hall: 1:20:51

But what is he supposed to do? He can't take him to the ground there. Like how would you take, you'd have to either one pick up and put down or you'd have to throw Yeah. Which are roughing, the passer. Mm-hmm. right now, currently.

Cole Ingle: 1:21:05

Well, sometimes not in the Chiefs game either.

Stoy Hall: 1:21:08

He thinks the ball's thrown, so he clearly isn't going to continue because mm-hmm. if the ball's not,

Cole Ingle: 1:21:12

he doesn't even like continue with a push like Uhuh to push him to the ground. Nothing. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 1:21:17

Nothing. This is what you're gonna see more of. Yeah. And this is not, this is not good for the,

Cole Ingle: 1:21:21

also not football. Mm-hmm. might as well pulled his damn flag, right? Yep. Yep. Yeah. Hate to see it. You really do.

Stoy Hall: 1:21:32

You really do. Just more, uh, more Viking stuff. I gotta love those. That team man, I, another terrible, the more I see them, the more I think they actually might get bounced in the first round. Oh man. Their defense is, we keep saying fraudulent, but now their offense is, uh,

Cole Ingle: 1:21:51

yeah. I mean, they not there haven't been able to really block anybody. No. They can get pressure all

Stoy Hall: 1:21:55

year. So the Vikings are 12 and four. They're point differentials minus 19, the Raiders are six and 10. Theirs is minus five.

Cole Ingle: 1:22:03

Yeah. We're talking about a team who sent their starting quarterback home, home, their franchise quarterback, they sent him home so they don't have to pay him. Who has a 14 point a two touchdown? Better point differential than the NFC North Champion Minnesota Vikings who have a three touchdown point differential. Um, not in their favor. Um, I just, if they don't win a playoff game Oh. Which, which does not look good, they will be the most fraudulent team in NFL history. If they aren't already,

Stoy Hall: 1:22:42

they're definitely debatable. Mm-hmm. But they don't win one playoff game. I mean, to me Yeah. If they don't win one playoff game mm-hmm. biggest

Cole Ingle: 1:22:51

frauds ever. Yeah. No, a hundred percent. And I don't think anybody can. And

Stoy Hall: 1:22:55

chips and chips may fall in the off season. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like that's, I don't know who, but something will ha I mean, defensively something. Oh, defensive. Don't have to. She, they should anyway, regardless of what they do. Mm-hmm. that's, yeah. There it is. There it is. Um, I, so we talked about that. We talked about the special play this. All right. I might bring that up. When we get

Cole Ingle: 1:23:21

to the, there's a, a, I think I, I, that's where I clicked it. Put a longer one in there that add more the match up. Maybe

Stoy Hall: 1:23:33

we got more rougher. We go faster. Here we go. Yep.

Cole Ingle: 1:23:36

So, so the first one is not from this year, this is from several years ago. Yeah. When Chris Jones in a playoff game, uh, called for roughing in the passer shoulder because he hit him in the shoulder. Hit him in the shoulder. This is against the Broncos now

Stoy Hall: 1:23:55

a suplex them, which is, as we know, roughing the passer. Mm-hmm. but it wasn't called, yeah. Top one called how? No idea. Except for it's Brady. Bottom one.

Cole Ingle: 1:24:11

The only one that you can say for sure breaks all of the rules of roughing. The pass is the bottom one. Is the bottom One of all the ones we've seen today. Yeah. Was

Stoy Hall: 1:24:21

not called. top one

Cole Ingle: 1:24:25

him. And he spins him. He turns him, he picks him up, and then he slams him into the ground with his weight on him.

Stoy Hall: 1:24:30

he doesn't, he everything. First of all, I don't know how Ross got this ball away. Is

Cole Ingle: 1:24:35

it just Ross

Stoy Hall: 1:24:37

Let's put it that way.

Cole Ingle: 1:24:38

Uh, yeah. Well, again, even that it's an issue. Like I have an issue with being roughing the passer. Like, yeah.

Stoy Hall: 1:24:46

Okay. So this is, this was a big thing, uh, targeting and this is what knocked out Marvin Harrison. Yep. Yep. Junior, right here. You have it in slow Mo and I'm just gonna let it play again. This is not us being choppy. This is actually slow mo. Yep. Um, ends up looking at his concussion, but where's the targeting?

Cole Ingle: 1:25:10

Shoulder? Shoulder? No helmet to helmet at all. Neither one of their heads hit each other. Uhuh. Um, so either what you can't see on any of the views that I have watched is if his head, it's slams to the turf after he gets hit, or if it's from the whiplash there. But like, his head didn't even whip that much. His

Stoy Hall: 1:25:29

shoulder was clean. Clean, yeah. And they over, they not overturned it. They did not, no, they overturned it. They, well, it's not called overturned, whatever it is. They picked up the flag.

Cole Ingle: 1:25:39

Picked up the flag. There was a flag thrown for targeting, um, which was not, there was no, uh, launching. There was no contact above head or neck area. Uh, no crown of the helmet, nothing. And yes, Marvin Harrison, Jr. Went outta the game with a concussion right here. Yeah. Again, from that whip, or we can't see there, right? Did it happen when he hit the ground? Is that a really hard hit? Yes. Absolutely clean, uh, completely legal. And again, part of unfortunately what, you know, that's, it's good football. What football players sign up for just good football. Um, so I don't, yeah, hate that he got hurt on the play, but if a flag's thrown there and that plays upheld, that's, that's just, that's the wrong call. Correct. And so kudos to them for reviewing the play. Um, and you know, they gotta Right. Making it happen. So, so, uh, crazy stat, really crazy stat, um, teams that have played the 49ers this season. So we're 17 weeks in. Teams have had a bi-week at this point. So teams have all played 16 games. So a couple teams have been on buys afterwards are oh 14 the following week after playing the 49ers

Stoy Hall: 1:26:58

and the Falcons beat'em, never forgets that Falcons beat the Niners by two

Cole Ingle: 1:27:03

touchdowns. They beat'em and they lost, and then they lost What is crazy thing, if you've played the 49ers this year, you lose next week. You weren't guaranteed to lose the next week. The Raiders played the 49ers this last week. They will now go play the chiefs who are playing for a number one seed in week eight. And are load up on the Chiefs again. Jared load up on the chief load up on the Chiefs. Um, they will most likely finish the season as what I would say is the only team in NFL history gotta be to have their opponents loose the next week, be winless the following week. Yeah. In an NFL season. It's, that is an unbelievable stat. It's, I don't know if, if that's more unbelievable to me or the fact that the Vikings are 12 and four. It is very close. This one's I think maybe a even a tough more, there's a zero. It's a zero. It's a zero. And like the teams that are playing are, you know, obviously they've got, we'll talk about games

Stoy Hall: 1:28:01

they lost too. We're like, we're not talking

Cole Ingle: 1:28:03

about just wins. Just not even games that are involved in though. No. they're not, they're not playing. They're playing next week. You're

Stoy Hall: 1:28:08

like, this is, they just break'em. Yeah. Regardless if they beat you or not, they break

Cole Ingle: 1:28:12

you for the next week. So basically Shanahan um, is the one that has the quote here and he is like, you know, it could be a coincidence, which part of it is definitely coincidence. Don't get us wrong here, what we like to say, but, you know, the physicality comes into it and a 49ers team on both on offense and defense that wants to hit you in the mouth a little bit. And there's gotta be some truth to that based on that. Um, at, you know, because even at, you know, five and 10, like, you know, that's still pretty crazy. But oh and 15 is what that we'll finish that It's gonna finish. Yeah, absolutely.

Stoy Hall: 1:28:44

So, um, So week 17 and beyond week 18, opening numbers compared to the look ahead

Cole Ingle: 1:28:53

lines. Yeah, basically, uh, a lot of change, a lot of items changing based on, um, who's one and who's lost, um, what the playoff seatings looks like and, and things along those lines. Um,

Stoy Hall: 1:29:07

so that's what Eagles, I didn't even look it up. The Eagles, the Giants, or isn't it Division games? So the Eagles are playing, the Giants and the Cowboys are playing Washington. We know we have had,

Cole Ingle: 1:29:16

so this is all N Ffc East Base, um, as I found and posted it. So in taking, uh, one step back to understand this a little bit more, the Giants, the Cowboys in the Eagles have all guaranteed playoff spots. Um, the cowboy Cowboys are cowboys. Cowboys. Who are they? Cow pokes? Yeah. Uh, no, the Cowboys are guaranteed the five seed. If the Eagles lose and the Cowboys win, they can get all the way to the one seed, um, which is just crazy to think about in general. So therefore, the Giants are the only team that are guaranteed, they're guaranteed the six succeed at this point. No matter what happens, the giants will be the succeed. So they're the only team locked into a seed in the NFC right now. Um, so therefore, they're the only team that no matter what they do, they cannot change anything and they are locked into the playoffs. So they literally have absolutely nothing to play for. I expect the Giants to play. No one. Um, you know, sequ and Jones have both been injury prone. There's absolutely no reason you put any of those guys on the field. So their game against the Eagles was expected to be a one and a half point because at that out spread point to be they're playing for something. Yeah. This is two weeks ago. Yeah. They were playing for something. As soon as that became the other side, the Eagles now still playing for the one seed and against the, basically against them. Uh, that line jumped 12 and a half points to two touchdowns. Um, and the Eagles have to win. Like you can't play as well as the Eagles have and lose three in a row in and lose three in a row in the season now again has been out. Right. But you have to find a way to win one of those games to secure a playoff win. Literally you needed to win one outta your last five to get one seed. To get the one seed. And so they, uh, they will be, you know, going for it. And I, I think they will probably begrudgingly a little bit have to play Hertz against the Giants. Um, even if it is their

Stoy Hall: 1:31:16

backups, they get up 14 though. That might be an e a real quick. Right. Real quick leash though.

Cole Ingle: 1:31:21

Yeah. Um, but yeah, so that was a big change. And then Dallas because they were thought to be locked into the five seat, which they can't be any worse than the five seat based on records. Will now have to play, um, hoping for the one seed, uh, obviously you'll buy and, uh, home games versus having to travel as a wild card to Tampa. Uh, they went from four and a half point underdogs or to seven point favorites, so 11 and a half point jump, uh, and their final game. Huge. Um, because instead of sitting people as it was anticipated when these lines originally came out, Dallas will now be trying to play for a onee. Huge, huge. And we'll get into scheduling a little bit too, but the reason, the thing behind these conversations is all in when these games are played matters. Yes. Yep. Because as we'll see with the Sunday night game or Sunday night game, being Green Bay in Seattle could be irrelevant. Uh, excuse me, green Bay and Detroit. Detroit, the Seattle game will have an impact on that and we'll go through all of that when we do playoff protector stuff. But, uh, yeah, just, just crazy jumps from week to week just based on that information.

Stoy Hall: 1:32:33

So we get back to college football. So we got college football targeting and NFL roughing. The pather. Yeah, that's, this is where we Yeah. We talk about where we're

Cole Ingle: 1:32:42

living. Um, so ball over the middle to receiver two lane driving. Yep. Is this, this is the game winning drive. Mm-hmm. great. Throw over the linebacker. Safety coming over, uh, two steps for the receiver. So he is no longer defenseless. Safety's just coming over to make a. uh, both guys kind of turned their head at the same point. It's not a crown of the helmet, like safety launching himself. Nope. It's literally just two guys running to the same spot at the same time. And I'm not sure if they went out cold, but it looks like both of them get knocked out simultaneously. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Um, and there's no targeting call. Nope.

Stoy Hall: 1:33:18

It was not cold. No, it should have been.

Cole Ingle: 1:33:20

Um, and when we look at it, it was reviewed. Mm-hmm. uh, there wasn't a flag on the field, I don't believe. No, it was not, it was reviewed though. It was reviewed because it should have been. Right.

Stoy Hall: 1:33:29

But it's not targeting, I have no problems

Cole Ingle: 1:33:32

with this. Uh, you and I had conversation and, and my point on this is that's fine. I don't, I don't fault the guy, I don't think he should be ejected or anything like this one. I've seen half the hit with half the intention called four targeting this season, um, where neither guy got up, shake, shaken up, or, you know, there were no issues whatsoever. This both guys are literally laying on the field and have to be helped off the field and neither guy returned to play. Um, and essentially that's what matters. They got the guys off the field, they protected'em from that perspective. Correct. But from a player safety perspective, if targeting, if we're not utilizing targeting to prevent hits like this accidental or not, then targeting needs to be removed. Absolutely. And we, and so like that's, you know, the roughing, the passer, that's the targeting thing. It just shouldn't be a. we have discussed, and everybody knows when a target targeting play deserves ejection. Correct. It's very obvious. These are not No, these are not like, oh, if, if at any point you hesitate, it doesn't deserve an ejection. And that's the problem. Um, there's also, because of the play in the Ohio State game, um, those, those suspensions, because it's a one half of football, if you get ejected, would have issues and would cause potential lineup changes for those teams in the next game depending on when those suspensions were to happen or when the hits happened. So, uh, at the end of the Ohio State, Georgia game, if the Georgia guy gets ejected for that, then goes a half, he's got a half in the national championship game, he doesn't get a play on a play that wasn't, didn't do anything wrong. Right. So,

Stoy Hall: 1:35:24

and we discussed this, um, just go back to the helmet, to helmet in spearing rule then, because I get that, I get the helmet to helmet. Right. Fine. Spearing, which was the old school way of like, you lowered your helmet like a battering ram. Yeah. That shouldn't be in the game. Right, right. Um, but targeting, targeting is so it's all over the place. Completely subjective. And injection like injectable things should not be subjective. Yeah. In, in my opinion specifically. Um, We'll, we'll bring this up. Oh, it went full. There we go. There it is. Hey, chase ams Foundation. Go. Donate. Donate. Now. Share. We're up at 5.1 million million.

Cole Ingle: 1:36:09

Hey. Oh, remember this? This goal shut off back in 2020. Got brought back up last night again. Brings a smile to my face. Mm-hmm. Um, I love it. One because of the person, but two, uh, just because of, you know, what this attention has brought to this. Um, you know, that that's all you can hope for at this point. Obviously, uh, you know, we've got thoughts and prayers for, uh, the family, uh, the Hamlin family, but this is Yep. You know, 5.1 million from$2,000 to 5.1 million, um, in, in less than 24 hours. Less than 24

Stoy Hall: 1:36:45

hours. Yep. Um, this is what people can do when we come together. Yep,

Cole Ingle: 1:36:50

absolutely. That's, that's ultimately, so that's the positive you take out of it. Um, it's absolutely

Stoy Hall: 1:36:55

amazing. I love every part of that. So we'll have that link. Don't worry in the description, and it'll be there forever. Um, thoughts on this. Back to Iowa, huh?

Cole Ingle: 1:37:06

The freshman transferring? Yeah. I mean, so you've got, uh, Cade McNair coming in. That's fine. Uh, from Michigan. You've got, they, you had a two horse race going into the bowl game between, uh, lot Labus, joy Labus, I think is his name. Oh. Uh, Carson May, uh, obviously this guy didn't win the job. He's got another guy coming in ahead of him and the guy that already beat him out once, so therefore he is gonna transfer. Here's the thing, Iowa has one healthy quarterback going into spring, fall because their new recruit coming in, of which I think they have one and maybe a don't get here until June. Uhhuh PET is hurt. So is, uh, McNamara is hurt. Labis just played in the bowl game and Carson may just transferred. They had four guys. Two of'em are hurt and one of'em just transferred. They've got one guy take to play, play spring ball to play spring ball, so they're over overthrow

Stoy Hall: 1:38:03

em. So you're not gonna do

Cole Ingle: 1:38:04

that? I mean, are you putting out I don't, I mean, from a quarterback perspective, we always had a lot of quarterbacks at Drake. So many, like you always had four to eight, especially in spring ball, right? And like everybody in spring ball gets a chance, da, da, da. Like never having enough quarterbacks on the rosters never an issue. You got red shirts everywhere at spring ball, um, and even like practice squad and stuff like that, you've got certain guys that are getting most of the reps type of thing, but like the guys are there. The fact that there's gonna be one guy going into spring ball is the story here to me. that's bad. He's gonna take all the raps, all, all the

Stoy Hall: 1:38:46

reps, and then they're gonna bring him. We're talking about like some high school quarterback that is a receiver has to come in and do stuff. Right. Which actually to me hurts you as a, hurts your depth specifically on defense and offense. Mm-hmm. because they're not getting, they're not getting the looks, the real

Cole Ingle: 1:39:00

looks because you've got ones and twos usually, and then you usually have a scout team. Quarterback. Yeah. So you usually have three guys. You've got a fourth guy there in case scout, rotate around, scout team guy. Or you might have a guy that's fast and so on certain weeks he's gonna fill in on scout team. Yeah. For the other guy that might just be better at the quarterbacking position, whatever. So you, you know, you've always got four guys, not the case. They have a

Stoy Hall: 1:39:21

starter. They have, they can go

Cole Ingle: 1:39:23

ones they Right. Which you can go ones and twos. Like, it's not any different than a guy, but you at least need a second guy to be able to give the defense a look. So I have no idea. I don't know. I haven't looked into like, if they have a walk on in the program, can't wait. Frog season to wear like someone's got, you know, basketball brings in gray shirts. Like I was going to have to bring someone in for spring

Stoy Hall: 1:39:43

ball. Hey, if you're a quarterback and you wanna look at a top tier, uh, offense, no offense, defense, uh, university,

Cole Ingle: 1:39:49

you wanna see the number two scoring defense in the country,

Stoy Hall: 1:39:52

go call Iowa and say, Hey, I'm gonna sling that thing in spring ball. Yeah. Okay. Hey, may, Hey, maybe not. You might show out. Make

Cole Ingle: 1:39:59

sure, make sure you get a Red Jersey. Yeah, though. Get a Red Jersey cuz. Yeah. That first and foremost because they do not treat the scout team quarterbacks like they treat the first and second string quarterbacks. Make sure you put it in your contract. You will still get that nil. Get in there, get yourself through spring ball and then get out. Yeah. Because you'll still

Stoy Hall: 1:40:19

get hit. Yep. Save yourself to Misery Gud. Alright. Uh, a little, uh, back to the nfl. And then we'll go college. And then, then we'll, uh, we'll get into the picks. Uh, championship week. Uh, four of the scariest injuries in NFL history all happened on the same field. That's kind of wild. Yeah. All in to think about all

Cole Ingle: 1:40:39

in Cincinnati, um, did not realize, I mean, I didn't know either. Brown

Stoy Hall: 1:40:43

tell you together. She's here, obviously Tua now Hamlin, that's kind

Cole Ingle: 1:40:47

of, uh, so we're talking about two of the worst concussions that we've ever seen. Yep. Um, paralysis and in death, near death. Death, fish. Uh, all in the same field. And you'd like to say anything. It's the weight team by the way. And it's, none of these have been Bengals players. Uh, two sealers players, a Dolphins player and a Bills player. Um, so kinda makes, you know, like there's nothing there that like would show if the, um, the people of Cincinnati we didn't really talk about in the open. but just an outpouring support of Graves.

Stoy Hall: 1:41:30

Hundreds of them outside the hospital. Yeah. Like it was that

Cole Ingle: 1:41:34

they did it right. You can tell that they'd been there. Uh, and it's unfortunate, but I mean, maybe that makes a little more sense now. Mm-hmm. um, you know, showing up to the hospital, um, things they did at the stadium, they turned the lights to blue and white at the stadium. Uh, somebody designed a, a Bengals, bills like, um, logo that has the colors of both teams, you know, just, I, I mean, you know, cool stuff like that that, um, nobody has to do, but just that,

Stoy Hall: 1:42:02

you know, we can come together as a human race and Right. And, and

Cole Ingle: 1:42:06

be good people. Absolutely. And I think this is the last one, and, uh, the last one I pulled up was just, uh, basically just a cap off, uh, kind of college football season here before we get to the, the playoff is, you know, how everybody wants to know, you know, how did my conference do? Um, and my question for you was, is this at all important to, like in your mind it's conference records. It's, it's the records of teams from certain conferences who in the bowl games and who played bowl games. And so the American Conference was four and three. The ACC was five and four, big 12, two and six. But one of those two is in the national championship game. Uh, the Big 10 was five and four. However, both of theirs lost chances in the playoffs. Very good chances. Yeah. To make a national championship, uh, conference USA was three and three. Independence were three and two big ones. There being b, BYU and Notre Dame, both winning, uh, the Mac Conference Max in four and two. Best of the year, love to see it. Mountain west was three and four. Uh, PAC 12, also three and four, but lost their two biggest games. Um, in New Year. Six Bulls with Utah and usc, both going down. S e C ended up six and five after a one in four, one in five start. Um, so they finished strong, obviously got their, uh, three strongest teams in my opinion, being Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee. All with, uh, victories at the end of the season. And the Sunbelt was three and four. So, uh, a lot of people will go back and forth. The biggest thing, and I think it just has to stop at this point with transfer portal and everything like that, but it never will because ESPN is the official sponsor of the Southeastern Conference. Oh, the Southeastern Conference is not as dominant? No, as it once was. I think there was a time in which the Southeastern Conference was uniquely superior to the rest of college football. And I'm not saying their very best athletes aren't. However, there's parody. There's parody, and the people who say the middle of the s e C would destroy any other. It's just not factual, it's just not true. Um, we watched it, uh, I've watched it now for enough years consecutively to, you're just bias at this point with no f you're not bringing anything to the table factual, um, about that. I mean, y you look at Tennessee and they dominated in Alabama, dominated and that's fine, but you want to go look at, you know, Missouri, you want to go look at South Carolina who lost a Notre Dame? You want Kentucky? Kentucky who didn't score against point, didn't score against Iowa. Um, you know, Mississippi State survived 13 to Illinois, 10 against Illinois. Um, you know, yeah. Those types of things is like, that's the middle of the s e c competing perfectly fine with the rest of America. Quick shout out. Mississippi State got brought up. Oh yeah. Uh, Mike Leach, that was awesome. Um, we talked about Pass Wade, and they did an awesome, uh mm-hmm. you know, homage to him with the pirate flag on the, the helmet. And a couple of different teams did, uh, um, basically remembrance plays type of thing where the other team, um, declined the penalty. So that was cool. Uh, I didn't realize Mike Leach was one win short of 600 for his career, which is the qualifying shit. I didn't know that number for the coaching Hall of fame. And so the hope is that Mike Leach will get the honorary. uh, in the bowl game. And that will no doubt if they don't, you know, put him into the coaching hall of fame if they don, I, I don't see that not happening. But, um, that was something neat that I too fair. He's a Hall of fame coach.

Stoy Hall: 1:45:58

Learned today regard. I didn't know. Regardless. I didn't know 600 was a trigger, by the way, but he changed the game. Like that's a hall of fame coach me. Hundred percent. A hundred percent.

Cole Ingle: 1:46:05

I

Stoy Hall: 1:46:06

say, yeah. That just goes to back to what you, you, you had asked the question of like, what does this do for me? Mm-hmm. I like seeing this because I like to see the parody in it. Right. Um, you might want to start taking those. I love

Cole Ingle: 1:46:18

seeing the parody. I think I'm only taking one since you screwed up the sheet, but,

Stoy Hall: 1:46:21

well, I mean, you still lost both.

Cole Ingle: 1:46:23

Um, according to you, I never

Stoy Hall: 1:46:25

saw it. I, we can roll the tape and go back. That's fine. If we have to, fine. If we have to. Um, I love seeing the parody here. Uh, there's not one dominant conference except for the Mac, obviously at four and two. Uh, but really this is what we want to see. This is how it should be. There should, there's just not a dominant conference. Right? Doesn't matter. Um, regardless if you think the transfer portal or who plays, who doesn't play right there. There's parody in college football. Mm-hmm. Okay. And we're seeing it from, we saw it in the semi-finals all down and that's what we want to see. So. Alright, well let's get into it then. Let's get into the College of Football.

Cole Ingle: 1:47:04

Um, national Championship.

Stoy Hall: 1:47:05

National

Cole Ingle: 1:47:06

Championship next Monday.

Stoy Hall: 1:47:07

So it will be, let me, let me get some good music going here before we. And by music I

Cole Ingle: 1:47:13

mean,

Stoy Hall: 1:47:35

there it is. Oh, someone came out and actually we were on the other screen. We should have realized that, but, uh oh or bad. Um, we actually had someone in our chat for the first time. Do you know that guy? I can't, I can't, I can't really see it. But let's, uh, let's break down. Dak Prescott's Misreads. I watched a video about Dak not knowing how to read defenses properly and makes high school quarterback mistakes constantly. Yeah, Dak does, likes to misreads. What can you say about that quarterback?

Cole Ingle: 1:48:10

Um, I think there's something to that. Um, I think there's something to Dak trying to play within a system at Dallas where he's not allowed to be Mahomes or Rogers or anything like that for the betterment of the Dallas Cowboys, but also like that's the difference in levels. like Dak is not a top tier quarterback because of a full understanding of those things. And whether that's natural ability in combination with awareness, you know, like Madden has the awareness thing. And I think at times when you're watching the Cowboys, it, it feels like Mahomes has the timing and the awareness and like those factors, the it factor, if you will, where Dak can make plays throughout a game, but you're always a little on edge of whether, you know, are we gonna make the big play at the big time or are we gonna make the big mistake at the big time? And, you know, those are the differences to me. Um, but I think that, you know, if spec, like specifically this year, if you go watch Mahomes, Alan Dak, any of those guys, all of those, and not to put Dak in with those two guys, but like those two guys specifically have turned the ball over in the red zone and more so at times where you would not expect it than they have in any other years in their career. That's true. Now their teams are still very successful because of things that they can also do to bring their team back and at the end of games to close games. But we're seeing a little bit more of that, um, as well as, as teams get. Used to, uh, those quarterbacks and what they can do to kind of bait them into things and stuff like that. Um, I think that there's a stat last night before, uh, at the beginning of that Bill's Bengals game where Josh Allen had four red zone picks. I mean, it's one thing to have, you know, four picks is four picks, but red, he also had four fumbles in the red zone. Only one was lost. But the fact that he put the ball eight different times they were in the red zone. So pretty much you're guaranteed three points, um, eight different times he put, he took points away or potentially took points away from his team. You know, only five times of that happened, but, uh, so that's happening more. Mm-hmm. in the nfl, but with Dak, um, you know, missing reeds and stuff like that. I mean, there's an, there's a lot of, you'd be surprised how many quarterbacks in the NFL aren't as knowledgeable with reeds as some guys that have played at the collegiate level. And some guys, like, there's a reason that certain people coach and certain people play, and when you get the knowledge of two, that's when you get greatness. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, uh, Patrick Mahomes. When those two things can combine, that's when you get greatness. Then when Peyton Manning, um, you know, when you can coach yourself on the field and whether that's again, a feel athleticism thing. with the knowledge versus, Hey, I'm really smart and I know what I'm seeing. However, my body doesn't let me do it at an elite level, whether it be scalability or, um, you know, just having that half second twitch one way or the other, and then, or arm strength, right. For that matter. Like, I saw it but I couldn't throw it, type of thing. Yeah. Um, that's, that's the big thing I think that, that comes with Dak is that, yeah, there's times where he locks in on receiver and, you know, I'm going to CD Liam, or I'm going to my tight end and it's like, oh, did you look at the other side of the field where he had one-on-one and the guy blew a coverage? Probably happens a little bit more, but it happens to everyone. Um, just because you're, you're so locked into certain things and maybe what you saw on film and then the defense gave you a wrinkle or anything like that. But yeah, I would definitely say that it happens to Dak more than it happens to those other guys.

Stoy Hall: 1:52:27

I'll just do attest that the, the defense knows these things too. Mm-hmm. Okay, so they're gonna do things to make the read harder. Like it's not just all. again, but if, if that's his weakness, I don't know Dak that well in terms of his game, if that's his weakness, teams are gonna do a lot more to make that harder. So. Right. Good point

Cole Ingle: 1:52:49

there. Uh, because the big thing is, is like, so if Dak is showing lack true Hebrew Yeah. Um, is d if Dak is showing those things, like you said, they're gonna disguise coverages more, try to do more with blitz packages, stuff like that. Whereas like Mahomes, Brady, Rogers are really good against the blitz for multiple reasons. One, they have elite guys on receiving levels. Um, they've practiced it a lot. And also if you're trying to disguise something, that means that you're out of position at the point of disguise because you are showing something that you don't want to be in. So if they figure out what it is, you're screwed. You're screwed. And that's why teams don't disguise against them, therefore making the game easier for them because they've taken your strength and made it your weakness. And therefore, oh shit, we can't blitz. Oh shit, we can't disguise because we can't get our guys where they need to. We just need to make them matriculate the ball down the field. And as you see Tom Brady this year, Mahomes, when he's struggled is when you make those guys just make the simple plays, sometimes it's hard for them because they're so used to being able to make the defense make a mistake and find a guy wide open, bring a blitz, leave a guy. that sometimes it's the very simple throws in the very simple plays that they struggle with the most, because that's not when they're at their best, they're at their best in two minute drill. They're at their best when in crunch time. They're at the best when somebody's at their feet, like, right.

Stoy Hall: 1:54:20

And it has to be frustrating also. Mm-hmm. as a quarterback to just be always, always ding and dunking. A hundred percent. It has to be when you're that skilled, right? Like when you know, I can, I can just go throw a, a bomb if I really wanted to. And the defense is saying, no, no, no, no, no, we're just gonna do this. But also, I think key to all of that is inside pressure. So you have to do that, but you have to be able to have some type of pressure, otherwise they can just pick you apart a hundred

Cole Ingle: 1:54:43

percent. Um, so, but if you look at Iowa, like that's why Iowa is successful in college football. One, you don't play as many elite quarterbacks, Iowa makes you go down the field. And if you can stay disciplined, just, just be b plus type of grade out, throw a five yard hitch, throw a five yard hitch, run for four yards, throw a five yard hitch, hit a curl, hit a guy in the middle of the field, go down the field, 10, 8, 10, 12 plays, and you're willing to do that. You can beat Iowa's defense because they are, they're showing you absolutely nothing other than we're gonna run cover three. We're gonna run cover four, we're gonna run cover two. There's, there's no, but what do they do? Well, they tackle well and they will keep the ball in front of them. And as you can attest on defense, if you can do. You are gonna drive teams crazy because offensive coordinators and, and quarterbacks for the most part, are not patient people. They want the splash play. They want the gotcha play. And if you don't allow that, it's frustrating. And then they'll try to get you and that's why. And then, and then you get a picture sitting crazy. Correct. Yep. Yep. So yes, very thanks for bringing that up. Uh, appreciate the feedback there. Yeah, absolutely.

Stoy Hall: 1:55:59

Look at us. Get in a chat. Woo woo. Oh, that, you know, wasn't your wife, so we're good. Hey. Yeah. Hey, look at us. Uh, college football, that's what you think. College football. TCU Georgia line is, uh, 13 and a half. I, I guess I didn't, I'll I'll double check real quick. Um, but that's what it was prior to,

Cole Ingle: 1:56:18

it opened close just to 15 and it came down pretty quick. But I don't know that it ever went lower than 13 and a half. I

Stoy Hall: 1:56:25

mean, it could be because it's 13 and a half. Like that's just, it's a national championship game. Let's mm-hmm. what are we doing here? Peeps? Uh, let's see. 13 and a half. Money's on TCU heavy. And 62 and a half still. So here we are. Here we sit. Here we sit. I'm going

Cole Ingle: 1:56:42

to not too many injuries. Um, not gonna remember his name, but the big tight end for Georgia, uh, is banged up, but it looks like he's most likely gonna find a way to play. Yeah. Um, I don't know of any TCU injuries. That I really heard of. No, I haven't, I haven't heard of. So, um, relatively healthy, both teams coming in, no suspensions or anything like that. Um, I mean really it's a, it's, it's, the problem is it's a home Duggan, it's a home game for Georgia.

Stoy Hall: 1:57:19

Yep. Sure is. Sure shit is. Um,

Cole Ingle: 1:57:23

which I mean I just have a problem with in general, however, um, it just kind of is what it is from that perspective. George has been here, obviously national champions from last year. TCU has never been on a stage like this, didn't seem to do anything, uh, with Michigan. Uh, my problem is that George is on a different level from a respect standpoint than Michigan is. Um, Michigan hadn't been there either, and Michigan got cocky. Mm-hmm. and now I don't know if, if Michigan getting cocky is what cost them that game. Um, but I know that TCU specifically had a chip fr four from Michigan. Um, going into that game, uh, there was a couple of different, um, news clipping moments or Twitter moments of guys just being arrogant, um, for Michigan that, uh, I think adds a little chip to tcu. Not gonna make that mistake. Kirby Smart won't let that happen. Uh, says you're gonna get nothing but respect quotes from Georgia this week. Absolutely. So you're just not gonna have that with tcu.

Stoy Hall: 1:58:39

It'll be

Cole Ingle: 1:58:40

very professional week. 13 and a half is a ton of points, uh, for a team that has only lost in double overtime or overtime, whatever it was, uh, one game this year and who has done nothing but been nothing short of elite in fourth quarters, uh, in closing games, uh, regardless of how far they were down or how far they were up. Mm-hmm. throughout, uh, any of the games that they played this year. I just, I don't see away that Georgia loses this game though.

Stoy Hall: 1:59:17

No. Nope. No. I mean, I agree. Um, it, uh, 13 and a half might be, might be a lot. Although I can see it not TCU coming back late that that'll probably be the backdoor cover on it. But Georgia, Georgia's not Michigan. Oh no. Um, Kirby Smart and this team being defending champs know what it takes. They're not gonna do a Michigan thing and go away from themselves. They're not gonna run trick place. No. Uh, both offensive and defensively. Mm-hmm. they're gonna say, Let's line up. Right? We are better than you. Mm-hmm. And they are better than tcu. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 1:59:58

Um, TCU has picked fifth in the Big 12. Yeah. Dug. And their quarterback was their backup quarterback going into the year. And hey, that's how improbable TCU being here is. He has the, and they've earned every right to be here. They have, don't get me wrong,

Stoy Hall: 2:00:14

they have, I just, however, they're not gonna win this game. I, I don't

Cole Ingle: 2:00:17

disagree. Are they going to cover the 13 and a half?

Stoy Hall: 2:00:22

But that's, that's the, are that's the conversation. The conversation's, not who's gonna win the championship? Are you,

Cole Ingle: 2:00:28

are you wanting to have that conversation or do you want to go to the total? Let's go, let's go total first. All right. Okay. You're not comfortable having that conversation. Not look at hold.

Stoy Hall: 2:00:35

You get a little, you are moving around a seen stuff. Um, you can go, we can go to the total

Cole Ingle: 2:00:40

low total 62 and a

Stoy Hall: 2:00:41

half. 62 half kinda low. Big number, kinda low big number, kinda low last two games we just watched. Yeah.

Cole Ingle: 2:00:47

Um, I mean, we just watched 96 and 83

Stoy Hall: 2:00:51

points, which is why I don't understand why the total's so low if the spread's so big. You know what I mean? Like, we just watched a whole bunch of points. How did that not get take into account?

Cole Ingle: 2:01:03

I agree. I, I'm, I'm Overall

Stoy Hall: 2:01:04

day. Yeah, absolutely. Georgia themselves are gonna score 35, 40 right. and yeah, they might, even if they do blow out tcu, it's

Cole Ingle: 2:01:12

TCU is not going to stop playing in a national championship game. Even if Georgia does a little bit. It can.

Stoy Hall: 2:01:18

Yeah. The only thing is is, is Georgia's defense absolutely gonna shut down everything TCU has from a scheme

Cole Ingle: 2:01:23

level. And I just don't see it because I don't see that TCU has a top 10 receiver and two other guys that can play and running back in quarterback that are just tough dudes. They are.

Stoy Hall: 2:01:37

Unless Georgia can absolutely their front. Uh, four, even seven Absolutely just rolls.

Cole Ingle: 2:01:43

But even if they do for two quarters or, or three quarters, like that's still 21 points in a quarter for a team that TCS completely out of it's scoring

Stoy Hall: 2:01:50

20 to 30. Yeah, they're scoring 30 points. Like that's what they're scoring. Right.

Cole Ingle: 2:01:55

Georgia and Georgia might score

Stoy Hall: 2:01:56

60. Georgia's just gonna outpace that. Like there's

Cole Ingle: 2:01:58

no way around that. No, I just, and I don't even know that they're scoring 60, but like, no, 45 to 30, they're scoring 40, 45 to 30 is a 75 point. Like I just don't see it being any

Stoy Hall: 2:02:08

less than that. No, the total's low. I don't understand that. Yep. Someone fixed that. Don't fix it. Take the money right now. Let's go put it off. Take it over. Over. All right. Oh, 13 and a half. So it's, you know, two touchdowns. So this game's gonna go, TCUs probably gonna come out punch, they'll probably score the first drive. Georgia will come down, tie it up. It's gonna be 77 first two drives, maybe three drives. then there'll be turnovers. Georgia's gonna get up by 21 at some point. When that 21 happens as key, is it 21 late in the fourth? If it's late in the fourth, they cover 14. If it's 21 and the third, tcs gonna at least score a touchdown or two coming in. Mm-hmm. if this was at 10, I'm taking it 13 and a half. Tough. That's tough. Your thoughts before we make picks?

Cole Ingle: 2:03:11

Um, my thoughts are neither team is stopping playing Stetson Bennett's playing in his last college football game. Okay. They're not taking Stetson Bennett up, out up any number. I mean, it, it would have to be four scores. Yeah. And so therefore a junk touchdown, but like late for and like what's behind Stetson been in at Georgia another five star. So like if they want to just run the ball or whatever, but like they're running backs also their best player and they're pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. So like if they're dominating TC that much, I just don't start, I don't see them stop stopping the domination. I don't think it's gonna be dominating. I personally don't think it's gonna be dominating in that way. I just think that overall they're just going to be the better team for four quarters. And even if that's three points a quarter, that's 12 points. And I don't really see either team trying to kick field goals. No. So does Georgia win 14.7? 14.7? They're up 28, 14 at halftime come out, they're up to 35, 14. There's your 21 and now, now what? What

Stoy Hall: 2:04:31

happens? And I'm saying with zero turnovers, like that's, that's how I'm

Cole Ingle: 2:04:35

tracking is zero turnovers. So it's 35, 14 going in the second half and you've got Georgia's getting turnover, and then, you know, does Geor, so Georgia goes up 42 14. Then what? And then now you've got do get on the comeback trail, they get it to, you know, 42, 31. Now Georgia goes down and puts the nail in the coffin. 49 31. Does Duggan have one last drive-in and the cover,

Stoy Hall: 2:05:02

that's what it comes down to. It really is gonna come down desert and we're at 80 points again. So if the thing, if it goes under, I'd be shocked. Yeah. Oh, I agree. And if it goes under, it's because TCU didn't score right? Not because Georgia, you know, didn't score. Right. I don't, yeah, I don't understand that. Um, and I just don't, I just don't see that happening. So, ah, Georgia's

Cole Ingle: 2:05:24

covered. Take my boy Max to figure it out. All right.

Stoy Hall: 2:05:31

All right. The Iowa kid. Um, I can't hate it.

Cole Ingle: 2:05:35

I can't hate on it. I was, to be fair, I was going the exact opposite of whatever you did. So I wasn't goon locking with you in the national championship game. I mean,

Stoy Hall: 2:05:45

we could, we could have thought of a different side bet for a shitty shot, but like,

Cole Ingle: 2:05:48

okay. Absolutely not. I, uh, just going opposite of you, I'm gonna wrap back. I can make the argue argument on both sides. Um, I talked myself into both during our conversation, so I was fine with whichever side you we'll end with Georgia. Tcu. There it is, Georgia. Um, going back to back to national championship predictions. I believe we both had Georgia, um, at the beginning of the year, year

Stoy Hall: 2:06:14

overall, you that we do have that I did not delete. Um, did we even do that? No. Final four should be down. No, that's nfl. I don't, we don't even think we got, I think we just did the four. Oh, yikes. I would've put Georgia on the national, on the Naty. Wow. Yeah. Hmm. I, wow. We'll get to it. We'll get to that fl, but I'm not, I got two. How do, how many you got still alive? Three. Hey. Although one should be dead. Dead to the world anyways, that's most, that is bad. Um, here we are.

Cole Ingle: 2:06:55

I mean, that's not, that's not good None of'em are. No they're not. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Georgia. So yeah, I mean, I think, uh, I think these were our national we put, we did, so three of us had Georgia and one had been for the national championship, so. All right. Um, nfl, nfl, little n f NFL love. Well come to us on Saturday this week. Absolutely will. Um, so the Bills Bengals has been canceled for this week as it should be. There is a p potential, uh, as they're leaving it open, that that game gets played at some point. I don't know when the hell are, they would play play. Why would you just tie, why'd end it in a tie? Yeah. So there's gonna tie world before next week. We will know what is going to happen with that game, but that is going to have as we get to our playoff predictor, um, that will definitely have, um, an impact on what, what goes on, um, as we get there. But, uh, game picks first. Um, first game will be, um, Tennessee

Stoy Hall: 2:08:06

and I don't, I don't know if I put those Jacksonville. I don't know if I put those in actual order of game play.

Cole Ingle: 2:08:10

Yeah, that's the Saturday game. Okay, good. Um, cuz there's only two games on Saturday this week. I think least from one I can see. There's only two games on Saturday. Um, so the first one is Chiefs Raiders, um, which we won't talk about or pick, but Chiefs, if they win, will secure the one seed. If the Bills Bengals game is not played or if it's determined to be a tie. Yeah. Um, the Chiefs will take the one seed, um, because of the tie. Uh, so there's a lot of discussion around that. Um,

Stoy Hall: 2:08:44

so I had a discussion with the barber today about that. Like he's saying, well, the bills are gonna play even harder this week. I don't think the Bills care at the one seat at this point.

Cole Ingle: 2:08:53

Yeah. I mean that's that mentally

Stoy Hall: 2:08:56

Right. Obviously they care. Right. Depending on how this week, I mean, plays out.

Cole Ingle: 2:09:00

Why, here's my question, I guess from that, from that conversation is the, the bills don't care about the one seed, but then like the bills are playing for, for somebody. Correct. But are they playing for somebody in the playoffs or are they playing for somebody in week 18?

Stoy Hall: 2:09:17

And that's, that was, that was was morning period. That was my point too. That's exactly what I said. I said they don't know enough of the outcome of hi of DeMar yet. Mm-hmm. if today, tomorrow comes out that he's good, he can return to the team, you know, he might even be cleared to play in the championship. That'll trigger them to go now. Mm-hmm. if it takes until next week, week after then, then then playing in the playoffs for, uh, a championship is the trigger for them. I don't think they're gonna have enough information at this point. They're still mourning. Why, why go out there if you're not a hundred percent like we talked about. Mm-hmm. mentally ready. Yeah. What's the point? They're in the playoffs. No, I, they don't care where they play. Mm-hmm. Agree. They can beat anybody. Yeah. So that's where, that's why I was at with it. So you're right. Um, but Tennessee, Jacksonville, this is, I had this game of the week

Cole Ingle: 2:10:10

because it, Tennessee Jacksonville for a playoff spot. Um, this matters, dare I say, the worst or most deflating, deflated team in the NFL versus the hottest team in the nfl. Definitely in their own conference.

Stoy Hall: 2:10:29

Oh, what's in their own a hundred percent. But

Cole Ingle: 2:10:31

Jacksonville, there's not a lot of teams that have been playing better football in Jacksonville, not at all. Um, including their quarterback, um, who seemed to figure things out with Doug Peterson in, at the helm by damn time. But I mean, it just goes a long ways. And this is gonna be a little bit, uh, outside of the game pick, but like coaching and placement of a quarterback, specifically in the N F L. Now, every position, uh, depending on where you get drafted matters, but like quarterback is so important who you get paired with, um, in, in the scheme that you're put in. And it's why Brock Purdy's been so successful in San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan. And people can say what they want. But Trey Lance wasn't successful. Like Brock Purdy has been same offense in the, in the exact same offense. Garoppolo wasn't as successful. I mean, he, he more, he has been, he has been. Um, but like still, well the, the Garoppolo Purdy is way closer than the Gar or than the Purdy Lance. And Lance is a different quarterback though, because Lance, he was going to run more, he's more of an athlete. But he, he doesn't do all of the things that Purdy allows. Purdy allows for all of their best players to get the ball in different ways, whereas Lance becomes one of those guys. So it's one way, one less guy. It also, it's one less or five less. Carries pur for Christian

Stoy Hall: 2:11:51

McCaffrey. She hands offense so

Cole Ingle: 2:11:54

perfectly. It's, it's why GU designed was

Stoy Hall: 2:11:56

good in it though. It's

Cole Ingle: 2:11:57

designed to give the ball around, not for you. Cause you don't want the ball in gar Groo's hands and you don't want the ball in Purdy's hands. You want the ball in Christian McCaffrey's hands and Debo Samuel's hands. And Brandon i's hands, like in George Kittles hands. Yeah. Specifically in George kid's hands. Who the Iyo, Iowa State connection has been hot, unbelievable hot since Purdy started with him. Right. But um, anyways, that's just, so yeah. Tennessee is starting a guy who was on a Detroit practice squad two weeks ago, but it, who played well against the Cowboys. Slightly bummer for,

Stoy Hall: 2:12:26

I mean that kind of sucks. Yeah. Uh, but it is what it is.

Cole Ingle: 2:12:30

Um, so Tennessee going to Jacksonville, Jacksonville's six and a half point favorites. 39. Nine and a half. 39 and a half is the, um, Jacksonville wins the game. I think my biggest thing is 39 and a half's too low. Uh, I watched Dobbs play. Mm-hmm. They are not scared to, like, if you can play that well in a half a week and own the playbook, you can play that. Well

Stoy Hall: 2:12:56

see, this is my problem though. In division games in Jacksonville, it's usually low. No, I don't disagree with

Cole Ingle: 2:13:01

that's, that's where I'm at. And Jacksonville plays well at home. They do. We're

Stoy Hall: 2:13:05

we're both on Jacksonville here. Yeah. We think Jacksonville's won the game. Here's the thing, I love seeing them in the playoffs. Love it.

Cole Ingle: 2:13:10

Jacksonville does not have the experience that Tennessee does from a coaching. I shouldn't say that. Mm-hmm. from a coaching in a playoffs perspective, coaching a, an experience team into the playoffs. Doug Peterson's been into the playoffs, don't get me wrong, but he's coaching a different team, but he's coaching a very hungry team and a team that's been playing extremely well with a shit ton of talent on it. can they got talent. So we're both taking Jacksonville. Yeah, absolutely. Um, to me, I feel more confident because they're at home. I would still pick them at Tennessee, but I feel more confident because they're Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, six and a half is a lot of points for this. 39 and a half to me is the biggest thing. I'm taking the over on this game. Okay. Um, I think Dobbs, uh, again, Tennessee's, both teams are playing for their playoff wives. They're not going to be careful with anything. And so therefore, I think Jacksonville continues to be able to score like they have been. And I think Tennessee will open it up more. Um, also you have Derrick Henry who can possibly be dominant, but if they're able to do both, um, I think both teams will score a little bit in this game. I think this is a high twenties for each team type of game.

Stoy Hall: 2:14:19

So what's tough about this is, and, and I'll revert back to what I did last week with the Dallas, uh, Titans game. And by the way, I went back to the film, I called the exact final score. Huh? Didn't know that. But when I was doing the clip, I went, ah, got it. But I went the opposite of what on the over under for, but I was talking about your score and Right. And he said this is what's probably gonna happen. Ah, ended up being the exact score, by the way. And I think this is, I'm going the other way too, is I believe it's got, I mean, they're both getting 20, right? So we gotta go over mm-hmm. but I also could see being 20 to 17. Yeah. Right. Um, at the end of the day. But it's gonna go over Jacksonville's hot Tennessee. Um, Whit Dobbs is playing well and I think it's something that Jacksonville doesn't have enough time to really prepare overly for. It's a different quarterback. Right. Same scheme, but little different. So I'm gonna go over there. Uh, it's a division game for a chance of playoffs.

Cole Ingle: 2:15:15

Six and a half. Too many points. Absolutely. I'm not going locking this. Isn't Why Jacksonville against everything I just said? Dobbs is going to re, he's going to come back to the mean a little bit this week. Okay. Uh, in Jacksonville. That's true. And everybody loves to play Dallas so Yeah. Yeah. Jacksonville just cares more. Um, bucks. Falcons. Falcons minus four in a meaningless game. They're already locked into. So the four seed,

Stoy Hall: 2:15:54

um, this opened up as four and a half Brady's

Cole Ingle: 2:15:58

plane. That doesn't mean I don't, I don't know what they're doing.

Stoy Hall: 2:16:02

Why, why would, I don't know. It's a, it's higher. Uh, why would that be the case? Why would

Cole Ingle: 2:16:08

Brady play? I have no idea. So I right it, it's four and a half

Stoy Hall: 2:16:13

now. Yeah, it went to four when I, it was at four and a half. And then when I did this, like within 30 minutes went to four. Now it's back at four and a half. Still 40 and a half. Um, yeah, I, I, I don't know how we're getting four and a half points unless they're still thinking Brady's not playing the whole game. I mean, that's gotta be the thing in this. However, although the bucks aren't that good, like they're not, no, they're

Cole Ingle: 2:16:37

not that great anyway. Um, well the only reason they were good last week is cuz Carolina, Brett

Stoy Hall: 2:16:41

let them win. Let just let them win. Yeah. Mike, Mike Evans was by

Cole Ingle: 2:16:48

himself just three times run down the field. Three. I don't understand. It was baffling to me. So it's the only way they lose that game. Yes. Um, that, that's what makes us And the Falcons aren't going to let that happen. No. So that's what makes this one tough. I'm taking your falcons.

Stoy Hall: 2:17:02

I am too. That's the last game this season. We're ride till we die riding. And I'm gonna take it on the spread, but I want everyone to know Do you want them to win? Huh? It, we, this is, so, uh, as we get into playoffs, which comes into the draft picks, um, we're sitting at seven. Mm-hmm. I'm pretty sure we can't get worse than nine. Okay. So, and the best we can get is six. Gotcha.

Cole Ingle: 2:17:22

Play the game. We're locked in. Play the game. Okay.

Stoy Hall: 2:17:24

Play the damn game. Win the game. Yeah, that's fine. Let your quarterback get

Cole Ingle: 2:17:26

hot still. Like is there any pride in the bucks as far as like nine and eight, verse eight and nine? To me there is, but I'm sure

Stoy Hall: 2:17:33

there's incentives for the coach for winning season winning record. I'm sure there's other incentives. I mean, it's week 18, we're getting an incentive play. No, I get it. I, I would assume plan, I would assume that Bucks are way behind on their incentives. Yeah. Uh,

Cole Ingle: 2:17:47

based on, they're so far behind the,

Stoy Hall: 2:17:50

I would assume they are. And if Brady said he's playing, cuz he wants to get in a rhythm. Right. Which they have not been in. I don't even care last

Cole Ingle: 2:17:58

week that they're getting into a rhythm this week. But, hey, maybe I'm

Stoy Hall: 2:18:01

wrong. No, but, um, no, I'm riding the land the whole way. Right. Till we die, I'm going under.

Cole Ingle: 2:18:07

Really? Huh? I mean, week 18 I don't like it, but I don't like, like if the bucks play. That's the strength. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 2:18:17

I mean it's, it's stronger. Let's

Cole Ingle: 2:18:20

not put strength out there. Well, I mean, they've won, they're gonna win their division and the only reason they've won their division is not their offense. you. Okay. That's fair. And Hunts Fair. So I'm gonna lean on the unit. Okay. That won them to division. As unfortunate as it is, um, they scored less than 20 points multiple times this year in won football games. Gotta be over half. Has to be. Yep. Um, and Ritter's still playing for the Falcons, um, hasn't shown worse tendencies or anything like that, but still isn't putting up 250 yards mm-hmm. in the air or anything like that. Um, which is how you have to beat the bucks is through the air. You're not gonna beat'em on the ground. Um, and I just don't, I don't see'em being able to score unless the Bucks don't have they're starters in mm-hmm. and are just not playing hard. But with Brady playing, that tells me that they're at least playing for something internally. And so therefore, I mean, 40 and a half is not a lot of points. Nope. That's what I'm going over. And I mean, the more I talk about, the more I, I don't like it. But um, yeah, that's where that game That's right. Looks for me. Right. Um, I'll, I'll take the under. Spread four and a half.

Stoy Hall: 2:19:43

Oh, I'm just gonna ride with them. I don't, I don't really, I don't really like it. That's a lot of points. Um, I'm, I'm with, with Brady playing. It's a lot of points. So take the, I'm

Cole Ingle: 2:19:52

gonna ride over just in case they really want this. 18. What else? Six Beth? Uh, sixth draft pick instead of the ninth. What's the worst case? One These guys, uh, Dallas, Washington, uh, Dallas. Playing for the one seed. This game is played at nfl. Dallas. Dallas. Dallas.

Stoy Hall: 2:20:12

Where you at? Where you at? Where you at? Where you at? What at?

Cole Ingle: 2:20:16

Oh five and a half now. Five and a half. L huh? Alright. Oh, we didn't have any number on there before, so, eh, to be fair, right? I don't know what happened. Um, Washington out of the playoffs, um, the heck knows who they're gonna start. Um, Dallas playing for the one seed, and I'll just take Dallas across the board here. And the over under on this game is 41 and a half. Dallas is playing at 3 25. Eagles are also playing at the same time. So Dallas has to play. I'll take the over They sure do. Yeah. Over as well. Yep. And they're gonna win. Good squatting it or good locking it. You betcha

Stoy Hall: 2:21:07

go, because I ain't scared like you trying to get away from our damn goon locks. I wast scared. You did it twice. Like you, he like, I'm purposely going against,

Cole Ingle: 2:21:18

I mean, it's not like we've been good at goon locking. Hey,

Stoy Hall: 2:21:20

it's been better this season. Yeah. Now, uh, this, so I'm kind of mixing some things here with the scheduling. Yeah. I think this is

Cole Ingle: 2:21:31

horseshit. This is completely, I don't complete and

Stoy Hall: 2:21:35

utter, I do not understand what we're talking about is the Detroit Bay got flexed real quick. Real quick.

Cole Ingle: 2:21:41

Go ahead. The NFL does not schedule any week 18 games because they don't want a team to play and know that they're in or out beforehand in week 18 because they want

Stoy Hall: 2:21:58

more money.

Cole Ingle: 2:21:58

They want games to be games. They completely have control of the scheduling in 18, in week 18. So any game is a flex game. Any game. Understand that when we talk about this, this isn't like one Oh, they had to choose between this and this. The NFL schedules week 18 after week 17. This is a debacle. Whoever's running NFL scheduling is an absolute dip. Shit. They

Stoy Hall: 2:22:22

do this to get the packers in like d and

Cole Ingle: 2:22:25

I'm a co conspiracy. Tell me theory to the top. Well, you know, Dan Campbell's not going to let the Packers in. No, but I'm saying there's less incentive. What the hell? So if, so, Seattle plays the Rams at 3 26 on Sunday. Now the Rams aren't good. The Rams are not good. That's fine. They would have no, like, we would pick Seattle. We'd pick Seattle to cover whatever the number is. If Seattle wins Detroit's out, Detroit cannot make the playoffs. So Detroit is then playing to make sure to capture the packers. Don't make the playoffs if the Packers win. They are in. However, if the Rams were to beat Seattle somehow, and the the lions were to win, the lions are in by knowing the result of the Seattle LA game and not playing those games at the same time. This is where we have our issue. This game should have been played at the same time. The Tennessee Jacksonville game is a one v one matchup being played on Saturday evening, should

Stoy Hall: 2:23:39

Sunday night

Cole Ingle: 2:23:40

a hundred percent that you can move any other game too. Not to mention

Stoy Hall: 2:23:45

Tennessee's coming off a, a

Cole Ingle: 2:23:47

Thursday night, but the problem is, is the reason that they're doing this is that they're putting the Tennessee Jacksonville game. In a spotlighted game, being on Saturday night because it's, they just need to move the games, just move the games and play both the Saturday games as the Lions Packers and Seattle Rams, and then move everything else down. So, I mean, stupid, they're seemingly easy answers that, uh, are not being answered, um, correctly by the N nfl. Uh, as it were. Again, a lot of seatings still up for grabs. Um, a lot will be unknown until that Bengals Bills game on the AFC side, the NFC side, everything's still up for grabs on the NFC side. If the Eagles win, that kind of puts everything to bed as far as the one seed and everything else kind of rolls into place. But the Vikings, uh, 49ers, uh, that still has some stuff to play out. And those matchups, and again, whoever gets the seven seeds, so we'll go through all of that. But Lions, Packers, Packers four and a half point favorites at home. Total is 49 and a half.

Stoy Hall: 2:24:57

Uh, weather, 33 degrees, probably lesser with windshield. It's nighttime. Mm-hmm. get in the twenties.

Cole Ingle: 2:25:05

Um, both teams playing well. Yep. Teams, lines of won seven and nine, with one caveat being the dud that they laid in Carolina, which is why they're in this position. Layoffs. Um, but the packer's still. and getting healthier. Defense is looking better. Um, more what you were expecting the packers to look like throughout the year. It's fine.

Stoy Hall: 2:25:29

They're playing the way they should have been playing. Correct? I just don't want to see them in the playoffs. Right. I don't want, I didn't wanna see the bucks in the playoffs. Yeah, they're gonna

Cole Ingle: 2:25:37

find a way. I mean, green Bay is not losing to the Lions at home to go to the playoffs. No,

Stoy Hall: 2:25:42

they're not. I want them to. Yeah, but why would they, um, like that's just, why would they, now that being said, I am taking Detroit to cover that thing. he could flip, he flipped it folks. I said it and then he flipped it.

Cole Ingle: 2:26:01

No, I think they, I think Crosby kicks a field goal to win this game.

Stoy Hall: 2:26:04

Yeah. Abso that's fine. Like also good to see Detroit winning. I want them to 49 and a half now. That's a lot of points. That's just, that's a lot of points. A division game relative cold with a dome team for this. I don't, why I don't, I don't see these teams played

Cole Ingle: 2:26:24

earlier in the year. Correct.

Stoy Hall: 2:26:26

Absolutely. They did. trying to

Cole Ingle: 2:26:30

find what they did. Yeah, I mean not that, that says a lot about this game cuz I think specifically the Packers are in a lot different spot. 15 to nine. I thought it was super low and it was Oh yeah, you on the under.

Stoy Hall: 2:26:49

Yeah, you can do it. Um, I mean, you gonna do it?

Cole Ingle: 2:27:00

I just, both of these teams can play offense. They can. Especially now

Stoy Hall: 2:27:07

the unders a tough one to pick for, for that perspective. Yeah, but

Cole Ingle: 2:27:12

I mean, I think this is a 27, 24 game. All right, so I'm going over, alright, do it. Because I think that's the field goal that, that I just mentioned. Uh, for Crosby to kick to win the game takes me, takes me over. No, it does.

Stoy Hall: 2:27:25

It could also been in a tie. So

Cole Ingle: 2:27:30

Wait, who wins if they, who goes to the playoffs? If they tie Well, Seattle wins. We're gonna check. Yeah, we're gonna check We're gonna check. Find out. Well, you gonna find, you gonna learn today. You gonna learn today. I'm disappointed. God, that made me just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stoy Hall: 2:27:45

Uh, best bets or no? Um, yeah. Okay. I think so. I'm still right about those. Um,

Cole Ingle: 2:27:53

a coup, I mean, first one that jumped out to me is why Indianapolis was favored to win against Houston this week. that team's awful

Stoy Hall: 2:28:06

It's just so sad and funny with, with the cults. Like every time they. Matt Ryan, the other quarterback does horrific. Yeah. And Matt Ryan has not, I mean, he has not played great, but he's played fairly well for what is on that o line. I mean, don't

Cole Ingle: 2:28:22

the Texans, aren't they locked into the number one pick no matter if they win or lose? Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 2:28:27

So they, they could play to, they could just play. Right. Any who? Uh, let's go with locks.

Cole Ingle: 2:28:36

Locks lock, I mean, AFC games, so many games that matter. I know. Um, there's so many. I'm locking the chargers at one damn. 72 against Mongos.

Stoy Hall: 2:28:49

Okay. I'm not gonna follow you cuz that's exactly where I was going. Um, you know what, I'll ride with Kenny Picket. Gimme pit minus 1 54.

Cole Ingle: 2:29:02

Over Cleveland. Over Cleveland. All right.

Stoy Hall: 2:29:18

Um hmm. This one's fairly easy for me. Cardinals plus 14 are the Niners. I don't know why the Niners,

Cole Ingle: 2:29:27

I don't, Niners are still playing for potential one seed.

Stoy Hall: 2:29:30

I know, but it's a division game car. It's Cardinals, right? Yeah. I don't, I just don't, don't see

Cole Ingle: 2:29:37

that happening. No, I'm trying Tim.

Stoy Hall: 2:29:39

Yeah. I just don't, I just don't see it happening. What

Cole Ingle: 2:29:48

did I say? Uh, all right. I will take, Hmm. I mean, gimme the, it's six and a half. Is that what I'm doing?

Stoy Hall: 2:30:15

Is that what I'm doing? Oh, the

Cole Ingle: 2:30:17

Texans thing just confuses the hell out of me. So stay away. Yeah, I think so. I will take the sea on a six and a half against the Rams who have just absolutely nothing to play for. And Seattle

Stoy Hall: 2:30:41

winning. Good. Yeah. Um, you know what, over, under? Yeah. And I'm going to that Texan Colts and I'm going shootout. Huh? I'm pretty sure I've taken under on every one of the season. Can't verify that going over, but I'm going over 38 and a half one. It's lowish shit.

Cole Ingle: 2:31:02

38 and a half. Gimme the

Stoy Hall: 2:31:04

over the over

Cole Ingle: 2:31:06

when it's a whole bunch of teams that just don't give a shit. So you're just not gonna play as hard on defense. Let's just

Stoy Hall: 2:31:11

go balls of the wall. They're gonna throw out, you know, let's throw deep balls. Just crazy shit. Let's do

Cole Ingle: 2:31:15

it. Let's get it. I like that. I like that a lot. Um, I'm gonna go to a similar scenario in, uh, Carolina at the Saints. I could see that playing indoors. That game's 41 and a half. They're just gonna, I mean, again, division rivals, but like, let's score some points. Let's have some fun last week of the year. Nobody wants to get hurt. Everybody wants to go on vacation. Let's go over. I like it. Degen Pick. You got a, you got any fun parlays coming in? I do. I

Stoy Hall: 2:31:52

got a, I got a two Teamer little b and b action. Gimme the Broncos and the Bears plus 6 27. That is the Bears over the Vikings at home and the Broncos over the Chargers at home. You know what, two franchises that, you know, the, the actual bears are going into correct trajectory. The Broncos defensively have been fine. If they would actually score 16, you know, 16 points a game, they'd actually win a lot more games. You gotta take the plus out and move it to the other side. Otherwise that thinks it's an equation. Um, so yeah, gimme Broncos Bears plus 6 27.

Cole Ingle: 2:32:34

And I will take, let's see here. Gosh, jets. I know, Hmm. I got a five Leger, excuse me, the old

Stoy Hall: 2:33:29

five Leger. I'm sitting over here watching my kid at Spirit Week or whatever, shooting free throws, and he's not a basketball player. And all of a sudden I hear is I have a five

Cole Ingle: 2:33:41

Leger, I have a five Leger. I got Seattle over the Rams, Vikings over the Bears Houston, over Indie Kansas City, over Las Vegas, and my cowboys over Washington. At plus 9 46 going out with a bang.

Stoy Hall: 2:34:08

I'm trying to think what I don't like there. La Yeah. Probably about the only thing

Cole Ingle: 2:34:17

who you, what didn't you like? Oh, Seattle's playing la Minnesota's playing the Bears, which you've got them in yours, but Texans. Here's the thing. Vegas has been right on Minnesota all year. It's the only thing that's been right about Minnesota all year is Vegas. It's Vegas. Chicago has nothing to play for except for draft picks losing, and Minnesota's still fighting for potential. Whatever. I get that

Stoy Hall: 2:34:44

Casey

Cole Ingle: 2:34:45

house playing. Yeah. No, I don't, don't. Houston is the only underdog in that play. I don't, I don't. Somehow they're a two and a half point underdog at Indie. I can't of both of those. Hate that. Like I don't, I can't hate it. Yep. So I can't hate it. Uh, best bets for the week. We have money line locks of pit at minus 1 54 with Cleveland for Stoy. Uh, myself, Los Angeles Chargers over the Denver Bar, Broncos minus 1 72 spread lock. Uh, Stoy likes the Cardinals to cover 14 points against the 49ers. Uh, I will take Seattle covering six and a half over the Rams. Over under Lock. Houston Indie over 38 and a half for Stoy Carolina, new Orleans, 41 and a half. over for me in that game. And the DJ n Picks of the Week. Stoy has the two teamer of Denver and the Bears, uh, plus 6 27, uh, Denver Beating who Chargers, the Chargers, and the Bears beating the Vikings. And I have the Seattle over the Rams, Minnesota over the Bears, and, uh, Houston over Indie KC over the Raiders and Dallas, over the commanders at plus 9 46. And that is our N F L Picks of the Week and onto our playoff predictor.

Stoy Hall: 2:36:07

All right, here we go. Week 18. You know what I, I, I, I'm, they took it off and I'm, I am glad ESPN did that. Mm-hmm. they took the game off. I figured they would leave it Good for them. Um, they do still have the Bengals game, which I think actually is to be announced. I don't even think that's in play, uh, either is the Bills game for this weekend. No, by the way, so,

Cole Ingle: 2:36:34

um, both those games will be played. They'll be played. Yep.

Stoy Hall: 2:36:36

They just haven't announced when they will be. Yep. Um, absolutely. So, uh, Raiders. Chiefs, we're not even gonna talk about it. Chiefs, they're playing for the one seat. Yep. They win. It's locked up. Cuz I don't, I don't, yeah. I don't see it. Even if it, even if the bills, uh, bees tie. Yep. Game. So the Chiefs, they win. They're, they're sitting for a week. They know that. Um, Panthers, saints, I'm riding on the

Cole Ingle: 2:37:03

Panthers. I'll take the Saints cuz it's home. Doesn't matter when we're,

Stoy Hall: 2:37:07

no that literally mink enough sense. Um, I'm gonna start down here. Let's go

Cole Ingle: 2:37:11

Brown Steelers, Steelers at home. But that's the only reason, um, I don't love that game either way. Okay. But

Stoy Hall: 2:37:18

Steelers get in. Mm-hmm. playing to win, playing to get in. And Jacksonville, Tennessee, we, we've hit upon this both took Jacksonville at home, so let's get Jacksonville into the playoffs. Um, Ravens Bengals,

Cole Ingle: 2:37:33

um, depends on if Lamar, Lamar, Jackson plays. Yep.

Stoy Hall: 2:37:38

Um, Baltimore's just playing for seating.

Cole Ingle: 2:37:41

Well, it depends on what happens with the game from last week. Correct.

Stoy Hall: 2:37:47

But for now, yeah. Playing for seating. Does it, does it, does it make sense to put them in? Um,

Cole Ingle: 2:37:55

it all depends on if Cincinnati

Stoy Hall: 2:37:56

Do they, do they wanna play'em again with or without Lamar? If it's a tie, then

Cole Ingle: 2:38:03

I think Baltimore has more to play for. So you want Baltimore? Yeah, and I think Lamar Jackson will play, uh, giants. who's the Lord? Oh yeah. Giants don't have anything to play for. No. Unfortunately for my Cowboys,

Stoy Hall: 2:38:18

Cowboys, uh, bucks. Falcons, uh, I'm riding with Atlanta. I know you are too. Mm-hmm. it doesn't mean anything for the Bucks. I, although they say Brady's playing. Yep. Still makes no sense. Dallas is playing at the same time as the Eagles, so they're playing for the one seed. Obviously we have them winning. Mm-hmm. um, chargers, Broncos, I don't know if the Chargers are playing for anything. I also have, the Broncos winning chargers are playing

Cole Ingle: 2:38:45

between five and six, so I'd much rather play the Jaguars. Yeah, I agree. I think they're playing for I agree.

Stoy Hall: 2:38:52

Um, Bill's, Patriots,

Cole Ingle: 2:38:58

here's the problem. The, the Patriots win and they're in. Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 2:39:02

Patriots are gonna play if Kansas City loses for some reason.

Cole Ingle: 2:39:10

Yeah. Buffalo and Buffalo's playing between the two and three. But you, and you definitely wanna play the Patriots in the first round, I would think over Baltimore or Los Angeles. Yes. So they're playing, uh, I'm gonna say they're all in for, for Hamlin, so Yeah.

Stoy Hall: 2:39:27

Now, unless something crazy happens this week. Yeah. You know, God forbid something he worsens. Yeah. Then no, it's out the window. But I, I agree. I agree. Um, you

Cole Ingle: 2:39:38

know, which the bills are a significantly better football team than Yeah. And I would much rather see Pittsburgh in the playoffs than New England. Just because I just don't care for New England. No, not at

Stoy Hall: 2:39:47

all. Uh uh, Vikings, we got them in, although I do have them getting upset. That's fine. That's what we're, uh,

Cole Ingle: 2:39:54

Cardinals. Niners Nines got, still got an outside chance. So they're gonna keep playing. And a better seating to play

Stoy Hall: 2:40:01

to play here maybe. Mm-hmm. uh, Texans. Golds. Texans win. Uh, Seattle better beat the Rams. Yeah. Which makes Sunday night game stupid, but whatever. Uh, jets,

Cole Ingle: 2:40:13

dolphins. Here's the other game that matters because if the Dolphins win, I believe they're in. Yep. Um, jets aren't playing for anything. Now go back. If you look at that and if the Dolphins win and the Patriots win, who's in anyone? So those matters to you. So win of those games. See, that's the thing is we don't know when that Bill's game's being played. Correct.

Stoy Hall: 2:40:34

Um, because the other one's playing at the same time. Right.

Cole Ingle: 2:40:37

Makes a big difference. Um,

Stoy Hall: 2:40:42

it's slated for noon. It's the only one that's slated that Baltimore, since he's not Yeah, no, I know. That's what, but the bills are slated for a noon game. Baltimore's not slated for a game or it's since he Baltimore's not announced.

Cole Ingle: 2:40:56

Not slated for a time. No. Interesting.

Stoy Hall: 2:40:59

Why wouldn't, nevermind. That's stupid. Nfl. Don't do something dumb. What do you have?

Cole Ingle: 2:41:05

Uh, so Bridge two Play no two is out. Okay. He's been taken out of the, the question is, is a Bridgewater or Skylar Johnson, I think is their backup, uh, is playing for Mike White back. Mike White played last week. Okay. But they lost, um, dolphins are again fighting for their playoff slide. They have more to fight for. So you lean all Lean Dolphins. That's fine. Um,

Stoy Hall: 2:41:29

and then here

Cole Ingle: 2:41:33

I Packers

Stoy Hall: 2:41:34

Aho. Unfortunately. I agree, but I don't think, I don't think these lions are gonna go down easy. No. At all. Um,

Cole Ingle: 2:41:44

and so what if they tie Here it is. It ties Seahawks in. Yeah. What if

Stoy Hall: 2:41:50

Seattle Ties, which just ties around. Yeah. They're still in LA's. The only chance for

Cole Ingle: 2:41:58

the lines wait. If both tie, so if Rams win,

Stoy Hall: 2:42:04

lions are in, if they tie both Tie Seattle's in. Seattle's in.

Cole Ingle: 2:42:09

If Green Bay

Stoy Hall: 2:42:10

wins, they're in. So this is where we have it. Green Bay making it in. What? Yeah. That's gross. No. Um, just disgusting actually. Uh, I don't really like this. I don't like the NM C at all. No. AFC ended up basically how we had it for a while except for the Jags getting in, which mm-hmm. um, with Tennessee's injuries and stuff. That makes sense. And they've just, Jacksonville's played hot and played better. So, um, overall from these matchups, uh, I've got San Fran. I don't, Vikings need to show me something and I've got Dallas. Mm-hmm. uh, AFC side. I've, you know, I've got Buffalo Bengals, Jacksonville. I think that one's gonna run in the seatings. I don't, I don't see the other teams doing anything. Yeah. I mean,

Cole Ingle: 2:43:00

I can see the Chargers beating Jacksonville. Uh, that's about it. David. That's the closest game. That would be the closest. That's gonna be a fun game. That would be, I would love to see that matchup. Correct. Uh, that would be my favorite of the matchups we have up there. That would definitely be my favorite matchup to watch. Um, Bengals Baltimore, if they played, would be an exciting matchup, just cuz it's divisional. But you don't really wanna see that game three times, especially. Two times in two weeks, weeks. Uh, but there we are. Um, we'll see what it last week 18 is going to bring us a lot. Uh, and obviously we have a ver, a rogue game at this point, um, that we'll discuss next week. Uh, along with, uh, national Championship. The Natty. The Natty, the Natty. That's all folks. That's

Stoy Hall: 2:43:45

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